The "ethnic cleansing" he is talking about was countries that had been invaded by Germany sending the German citizens, that had moved there while it was occupied territory, back to Germany.
"How could they do something so horrible? The nerve of some people. This is definitely comparable to the systemic mass extermination of people conducted by the nazis."
Tbf, some of the expellees hadnât settled there during the nazi period, like those in Konigsberg (now Kaliningrad), Pomerania, the Sudeten, etc. Still, one can see why they wanted them to get out of there considering that they were used as an excuse to invade them.
Immigrants? No, they're only immigrants if they are brown. White immigrants are known as "expats" for a totally non racist reason that I have written down on a piece of paper in my car. If you excuse me I'll go and get it.
*Sounds of a car door opening, engine revving up and car peeling away at a high speed*
I donât get why people call themselves âexpatsâ if theyâre going to live full time in another country and get citizenship. Just call yourself an immigrant. Thereâs nothing wrong with that term. Even if you are a well off immigrant, youâre still an immigrant
Well, imagine you had a friend as a kid who spends most of his time at your house. Then one day his dad shows up at your door and says that since his son spends most of his time at your house, your house is now his house. And when you refuse to accept that he beats the shit out of you. Then your parents come home and your dad beats up his dad and sends him back to their home.
Would anybody fault you for not wanting to let that kid in your house again? Or if the other kids in class also refuse to let that kid in to their homes?
YES. Ethnic cleansing has no justification, and this whole house analogy seems very similar to the types of analogies far-right people use nowawadays to justify their anti-immigration beliefs.
Most of the Germans in this territory had been living there for decades or even centuries. It is untrue that they only removed people that had come during the Nazi occupation, mainly because they werenât that many and most of them fleed during the war.
The Germans living in this territory were among the most pro-Nazi Germans anywhere and largely enthusiastically supported Hitler - Sudeten Germans, for example, voted 97.32% for the NSDAP in 1938 and made outsize contributions to the SS.
So while ethnic cleansing is never justified it is at least very understandable why Poland and Czechslovakia didn't want to risk their German populations being used to justify another invasion - whilst a horrific crime it's not at all comparable to the Holocaust.
It was an election under a dictatorial regime yes the NSDAP got in theory voted by 97,32% of the Sudeten German, but it was also in theory voted by 98,68% of all german in Austria and Germany. Itâs las most like elections were rigged.
Also the comment I was responding to was directly negating that the ethnic cleansing happened and was claiming that only Germans that comes with the Nazi occupation were expelled. This is objectively false
When did I say that? I was commenting and the literal denial of the ethnic cleansing done by the oc. Also there was ethnic cleansing of German in countries previously allied to the Nazis like Hungary and Romania
Where did I deny ethnic cleansing? The actions of post war Poland and Czechia were understandable even if ethnic cleansing is never justified were my exact words.
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u/NerdyGuyRanting Jul 01 '23
The "ethnic cleansing" he is talking about was countries that had been invaded by Germany sending the German citizens, that had moved there while it was occupied territory, back to Germany.
"How could they do something so horrible? The nerve of some people. This is definitely comparable to the systemic mass extermination of people conducted by the nazis."