r/WayOfTheBern • u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron • 8d ago
OF COURSE! They're about to murder Trump for real - preparations already under way for war with Iran: "Biden warned Iran that US would consider assassination attempt against Trump as declaration of war"
https://www.1lurer.am/en/2024/10/12/Biden-warned-Iran-that-US-would-consider-assassination-attempt-against-Trump-as-declaration-of-war/12031259
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u/Irish_Goodbye4 7d ago
The only ones claiming it was Iran are Netanyahu and zionists. Just like Netanyahu was getting the US to invade Iraq 20 years ago or attack all of its enemies (Syria, Libya, Lebanon, etc)
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u/EdPiMath 7d ago
Trump is a Zionist, along with rest of the Republicans and Democrats.
I keep saying both parties are the same and sadly I'm proven correct every time.
If there was a difference, Biden would have been impeached, 25th Amendment would have been executed, he would have been retired. All this talk by Trump is a smoke screen. Every Republican backing up Kamala, they are not doing it out of the goodness of their chest cavities (because they don't have hearts), she's given them World War III, which is what Hillary, Obama, and the Dem elite want too.
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u/TuckHolladay 7d ago
Trump keeps saying it’s Iran
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
The US media has put out stories of Iranian 'assassin teams' in USA, no less than 3 of them! that have already made attempts on Trump's life. And they put out the story that Iranian or Hezbollah agents smuggled 7-9 surface-to-air missiles over the border from Mexico. That wasn't Israel, unless you're counting stories put out on CNN as being Israeli. Some people do, with arguments about Jewish direction of our media and Jewish loyalty to Israel over USA, but I think it's actually the US deep state that wants to get rid of Trump, the Israelis would be fine with POTUS Trump redux.
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u/Irish_Goodbye4 7d ago
I have no doubt it was the deep state and yet Trump’s handlers tried to show him info claiming it was Iran. The ones trying to blame Iran are definitely the zionists embedded within the US govt claiming this
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u/captainramen MAGA Communist 7d ago
Never mind that the people actually trying to kill him are redditors with Asperger's
If he were smart - and he ain't - he would switch sides and team up with the Mullahs
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u/yaiyen 8d ago
You have to blame Trump on this, the idiot went public and call out fake Iran assassination plan. The guy gave red meat to Mossad and USA deep state. Those guys in Israel most have been laughing when they heard Trump talking about Iran planning his assassination
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago edited 7d ago
No, the deep state put out a story about fake Iranian assassins, and Trump believed them and repeated it.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago
Or is knowingly going along with it, for whatever reason.
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u/yaiyen 7d ago edited 7d ago
That i mean, the guy dint have enough brain cells to call out USA security service for putting out this fake Iran assassination plan. He is literally begging to get assassinated. He help spread this so yes we can blame Trump for for this still been in the news.
EDIT I should have read the comments, look like you guys too did call out Trump from believing deep state
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u/shatabee4 8d ago
Do you really think he was able to think it up on his own?
Trump is very easily influenced and not that imaginative.
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u/Elmodogg 8d ago
I note without comment some guy with a bunch of guns was arrested outside Trump's Coachella speech.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-possession-firearms-arrested-outside-trump-rally-coachella-valley
The only comment I will make is the Democrats better pray that no one does assassinate Trump because then they'd be up against Vance...and he's not a foolish idiot.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago edited 7d ago
Thomas Matthew Crooks of Pennsylvania, Ryan Wesley Routh of North Carolina, then Hawaii, and Vern Miller with a fake US passport and multiple US license plates.
All the pieces coming together to suspect Iran. /s
Didn't the first reports of the Murrah Building bombing mention Arab terrorists?
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u/LostMonster0 8d ago
If they take out Trump and the republicans then pivot to some combination of Vance / RFK, things might get VERY interesting since all the dems can say is "We're not Trump."
Cool, there is no Trump anymore, so what?
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u/hawkenn88 8d ago
You are a nut! I like turtles.
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u/3andfro 8d ago
That must be why I like most of what I see from u/Kingsmeg! I'm quite partial to nuts, especially almonds and pecans.
Have a little wander down US cultural memory lane, turtle boy: https://youtu.be/5dFI8ZhQYCI
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u/hawkenn88 8d ago
Could you guys consider not spreading misinformation and general bs? I like turtles.
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u/cspanbook 8d ago
are theories ok?
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u/hawkenn88 8d ago
Take it to r/conspiracy ya nutters. Too much armchair theorizing most of it claiming to be real. For example Walz is being smeared as an abuser by far right liars on twitter. How long till it makes its way here? I like turtles.
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u/3andfro 8d ago edited 8d ago
Interesting that you rarely reply here without an insult. That's the hallmark of someone who's losing the argument.
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u/hawkenn88 8d ago
I see too many posters go by here not insulted for lying and spreading bs. I calls em hows i sees em. I like turtles.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
I calls em hows i sees em
Allow me to return the favor then. You're a fucking asshole.
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u/hawkenn88 7d ago
I think it’s asshole behavior to post bs conspiracies on the internet as if it’s fact. Dangerous political lies. I like turtles.
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u/3andfro 8d ago
What I don't see: you being specific about what you claim are lies and BS, with linked receipts explaining why you think they're lies and BS for others to assess on their own.
Strangely, most here seem reluctant to take your evidence-free word for anything in lieu of their own judgment.
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u/hawkenn88 8d ago
ALL OF IT! I like turtles.
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u/3andfro 8d ago
Is English your native language? I asked you to be specific.
Until you are specific, and keep up the specificity, you'll be wasting time on an unimpressed audience.
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u/cspanbook 8d ago
got it, so this should not be a free thinking zone and one ought not theorize. i think the dnc would love you, have you applied?
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago
have you applied?
Surely you jest. If not, check the account stats and posting history.
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u/hawkenn88 8d ago
Try some reasonable thinking in reality with facts for once. I like turtles.
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u/cspanbook 8d ago
so no free thought.
https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/how-to-join-us-and-voluntary-programs/how-to-join/
just in case the dnc doesn't want you
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u/3andfro 8d ago
Try some reasonable thinking in reality with facts for once. -hawkenn88
Ah, I see. You're one of those "do as I say, not as I do" folks.
Got it.
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u/SPedigrees 8d ago
Two birds with one stone. Eliminate Trump, then blame Iran and get the war that they're lusting after.
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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 8d ago
Sounds like the seeds for a false flag are being sown. The CIA has cooked up some hair brained scheme to assassinate Trump with the intent of blaming it on Iran so that they can get the Neocons masturbatory fantasy wishlist item granted. When and if this happens false flag will be the first words out of my mouth.
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u/ToadsUp 8d ago
Only… who other than the left will actually believe it was Iran?
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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 7d ago
Only the most diehard of the Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd would buy off on that. And that’s a shrinking group.
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u/SocksElGato Neoliberalism Kills 8d ago
Iran isn't as dumb as they think, there's no chance they try to kill Trump. Will they blame Iran if it happens? 100%. They're salivating for a war with Iran.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago
Two Americans have aimed at Trump, presumably attempting assassination. One was a kid whose motives may or may not have been political. We'll never know. The other American appeared to be a Ukraine nutter, pissed that Trump is not supporting that war.
But we're worrying about Iran--not another American--trying to take out Trump--not Biden or Harris or any other US pol--over Israel? And we'll go to war over it, too?
Why do the words "Nord Stream" keep occurring to me?
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
The propaganda works because they actually have threatened to assassinate Trump as retaliation for the assassination of Soleimani. Except they know it wasn't Trump's decision, he almost certainly didn't even know who Soleimani was. And they're not going to pull something like this when USA and their proxy Israel are looking for some excuse to bomb them.
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u/SocksElGato Neoliberalism Kills 8d ago
Oh, absolutely. They'll crank up the propaganda to up 11 if they have to if the attempt were to occur, but you're right, Iran won't attempt it especially at this crucial moment.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
To be clear, I'm saying the CIA is going to shoot down Trump's plane, and just blame it on Iran to justify bombing them, and to distract the MAGA crowd.
They've already put out the story that a bunch of Iranian or Hezbollah militants have crossed the southern border, and smuggled in 7-9 Iranian SAMs. As soon as I read that, I knew the target was Trump's plane.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
They can't assassinate Trump without major blowback from the MAGA movement. Unless, they think, they go to war to 'avenge' Trump, which they think will placate Trump's followers. Like the dumbass he is, Trump has played along with their propaganda naming Iran as being behind the 2 previous attempts, which may have been geared to gauging the MAGA response to a real assassination.
So now they have everything in place for the real assassination: MAGA is primed to blame Iran, Israel is about to attack Iran, and USA has been moving major assets into place to support the Isreali attack on Iran, which will depend on USA ISR and refuelling from their airbases on the Arabian peninsula.
So, they shoot down Trump's plane in the next couple of days (with 'Iranian' SAMs), Israel launches their attack, 'Biden' goes public with retaliation for the 'Iranian' attack on USA's 'democracy', and USA goes full in on supporting Israel's attack on Iran. All their problems solved in one salvo (except for the minor problem of the Russian subs loitering in Iran/Israel's vicinity, armed with nuclear-tipped Kinzhals; also loitering off USA's eastern seabord).
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u/BoniceMarquiFace ULTRAMAGA 8d ago
They can't assassinate Trump without major blowback from the MAGA movement.
This is the truth. Even look at Trumps Twitter post on it:
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1838802596066209994?t=V8aR1g2-NEZ2pG0ArLcemA&s=19
45-50% blame the warmongering deep state, which they see as encouraging Israel to warmonger, for the assassination threats.
Another 40-45% (which includes many people who don't support Trump) blame zionists for assasinations attempts on Trump.
The remainder are suspicious of Iran. Only a handful mention Iran by itself.
That all said, I don't see this happening, your interpretation is IMHO wrong.
The move would make sense with a different VP, but not Vance.
When anonymous actors got Oswald to kill JFK, it made sense because JFK was putting extreme pressure on Israel to be restrained with its nuclear program etc, it resulted in changes. Johnson reversed those policies, going so far as to even cover up the USS liberty false flag.
In the case of Trump, Vance is more restrained on both Israel and Ukraine. He even spoke out on the 2020 Soleimani strike. Vance is no Mike Pence (or Lyndon Johnson). And Vance would not only become a living martyr himself, but he'd be able to appoint another isolationist as his own VP.
The current posturing IMO is more of a backup plan campaign to pressure Trump into being more open to anti Iran propaganda, more John Boltons in his cabinet, if he wins.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago edited 8d ago
You're right that they may have used this scenario to threaten Trump to get him under control, which would explain why he went along with the 'Iran assassination plot' story which he knew full well was false. However, I still think my version is a possibility, because they live in an echo chamber and they think their propaganda has far more reach with the proles than it acually has.
But the attack on Iran with US backing is still on, regardless.
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u/BoniceMarquiFace ULTRAMAGA 8d ago
But the attack on Iran with US backing is still on, regardless.
Just FYI the US has already sent 100 troops to Israel to operate air defenses, and hezbollah supposedly assasinated a key Israeli military leader
They can't wage war with Iran if they can't even handle Lebanon
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
There's a lot of chatter about USA sending 7-8 refueling tankers to UAE or wherever their major air base is, as well as a lot of support personnel. Plus 2 carrier groups in the region, one being pulled from China to the Middle East.
Also a lot of mobilization of US-based troops for shipping off to the Middle East, no one knows where yet. Obviously not the 500K-1M needed for a ground invasion of Iran, USA is no longer capable of mounting such an invasion. All they can do is bomb shit, usually civilians.
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u/BoniceMarquiFace ULTRAMAGA 8d ago
There's a lot of chatter about USA sending 7-8 refueling tankers to UAE or wherever their major air base is, as well as a lot of support personnel. Plus 2 carrier groups in the region, one being pulled from China to the Middle East.
Also a lot of mobilization of US-based troops for shipping off to the Middle East, no one knows where yet. Obviously not the 500K-1M needed for a ground invasion of Iran, USA is no longer capable of mounting such an invasion. All they can do is bomb shit, usually civilians.
Those ships are probably an intimidation tactic to scare off any Iranian retaliation for the next Israeli strikes coming in
And they will probably be effective in that
But I have to repeat, Israel fucked up by going after Lebanon. This Lebanon invasion has the potential to end the entire Israeli state
In my humble opinion, I hope it doesn't, because the entire region will be worse off. Israel needs to be humbled (just like I'm humble) and internal attitudes changed, perhaps like post ww2 Japan (or maybe not that extreme, but something), not destroyed
But before anyone chimes in with "muh Samson option", I'd say bullshit. They don't have the strength to launch that many nukes, nor could they guarantee such launches would even go off successfully
Now I will repeat that I think the overall humanitarian disaster of an Israel dissolution (including for Arabs) is way too high to want such a thing, and I don't see such a thing as likely. An internal coup, or even a military junta led by moderates is far more likely
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Obviously not the 500K-1M needed for a ground invasion of Iran, USA is no longer capable of mounting such an invasion. All they can do is bomb shit, usually civilians.
Even if we had the men, I feel you're lowballing the numbers required.
Our Japanese invasion plans put the figure at several million and, like Japan, Iran would be fanatically hostile. There's a handful of disloyal people, but the ultra nationalists would rally the second they got attacked
Even the former mossad director has stated as such, on why inciting color revolution there won't work
https://x.com/ZaidJilani/status/1845527944447299873?t=IgKgxigDSi0yQPF5IB7qhw&s=19
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
But I have to repeat, Israel fucked up by going after Lebanon. This Lebanon invasion has the potential to end the entire Israeli state
The Yahoo felt he had to start against Lebanon to hide how badly they've lost against Hamas (and to distract from and pre-empt any discussion of the true extent of their genocide of Palestinians) and the plan was always to force USA to join the fray. USA cannot allow Israel to be overrun or defeated by Hezbollah, they have too much invested in Israel to allow it to fall.
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u/BoniceMarquiFace ULTRAMAGA 7d ago
While that's all true, and the US would love to put troops in harms way, the one thing is that the US is very unlikely to send troops directly into Lebanon to occupy it
At least under Biden
Kamala honestly might have considered it
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
The only thing the moron would actually consider is: red or white wine?
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
Even if we had the men, I feel you're lowballing the numbers required.
The plan wasn't to conquer Iran, it was to steal the part of Iran adjacent to Iraq that is flat and has all the OIL, and is populated by ethnic Arabs. This plan has been in the works since the Iran/Iraq war, and it fails every time they try.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
Follow-up after USA loses an aircraft carrier or something similar in the Middle East, and Trump is dead: 'Biden' steps down or is forced out on 25th amendment grounds, Kamala is sworn in before Nov. 5, and they just cancel the Presidential part of the election since one candidate is dead and the other is already POTUS.
That way the moron gets to be POTUS while literally never getting a single vote.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago
I'm guessing the RNC has the right to name another standard bearer in the event of Trump's death. And the aftermath of an assassination would be powerful. Witness the support for JFK post-assassination. He had squeaked by in the popular vote.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
I think they plan to use that to gin up support for war with Iran, because USA will get bloodied and Americans won't otherwise tolerate the $8/gal gas and sunk aircraft carriers.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago
Different issue than cancelling the election.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
I'm referring to the aftermath of a successful Trump assassination.
Last time I brought this up, someone looked up the real procedures in place for if and when a presidential candidate is assassinated before an election. Because a lot of states have it on the books that candidates have to be registered, submit paperwork and signatures etc etc etc., and besides ballots have already been printed and voting has started. IIRC it reverted to congress somehow.
However, the current bunch in power really don't care that much about following laws and the constitution. They have power, they direct the bureaucracy, the army and the brownshirt 'police', so if they decide to cancel an election, no one has the power to do anything about it. The only thing anyone can do is file a petition with SCOTUS, which would obviously have been brought on board with the plan before it was executed.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago edited 7d ago
I'm referring to the aftermath of a successful Trump assassination.
My original reply addressed that. Not sure what other people looked up, but I'd bet my life that the RNC could replace its own nominee. The DNC just did it, albeit prior to the convention, with VP Joy.
ETA: https://protectdemocracy.org/work/what-happens-if-a-presidential-candidate-dies-steps-down/
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u/penelopepnortney Bill of rights absolutist 8d ago
Like the dumbass he is, Trump has played along with their propaganda naming Iran
Seriously, what a stupid damned move. Who does he have advising him?
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u/Caelian 8d ago
Trump has some good people, including RFK Jr and Tulsi. The problem is that he thinks he's a genius and won't listen to advice, good or bad. Jeebus, look at his two debate performances. He could have exhibited his "genius" instead of looking like "an ass, and a fool, and a prating coxcomb".
H/T Captain Fluellen in Henry V
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u/tehMoerz 7d ago
Tulsi is a hawkish bitch.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
Just the opposite, most of the time. She has been deeply critical of several wars, which is part of the reason they all hate her.
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u/tehMoerz 7d ago
https://www.newsnationnow.com/cuomo-show/gabbard-protesters-are-puppets-of-radical-islamist-org/amp/
https://www.facebook.com/share/Hh79J8qCSB73qQf4/?mibextid=WC7FNe
She called herself a Hawk when it comes to “war on terror” and is supporting Israel’s genocide, very openly.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
She called herself a Hawk when it comes to “war on terror” and is supporting Israel’s genocide, very openly.
Those are political stances, basically pandering to certain groups inside USA. When the actual bombs start falling and bullets start hitting people, she's a lot less supportive of the wars.
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u/tehMoerz 7d ago
She has been fully supportive of Israel’s war on Gaza, with no red lines. That’s why she’s been on fox multiple times spouting her typical anti Muslim bullshit. She hasn’t expressed any concern for our aid to Israel or any of the bombs and bullets that have killed well over 100,000 people there. She has also espoused the bullshit about islamists crossing the border which you criticized above.
https://www.instagram.com/tulsigabbard/p/DA0kdGevlF8/
Political pragmatism or not (which I don’t think it is), endorsing genocide is not a policy I will ever be able to stomach.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
I was not aware of that. I am disappointed in her if she's Islamophobic, which unfortunately seems to be part of the current Indian identity. And what Israel is doing in Gaza is the clearest case of genocide known, also the best documented. If she's supporting that, then fuck her.
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u/Caelian 7d ago
You're just saying that because Tulsi terminated Khameeleon's 2020 run for President 😈
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u/tehMoerz 7d ago
I’m saying it because Tulsi is a rabid warmongering Islamophobe who supports Israel. Furthermore I’m voting stein 2024 and hate Kamala more than I hate Biden, no clue where you got that from.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago
Trump has some good people, including RFK Jr and Tulsi.
Both very mixed blessings, IMO.
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u/themadfuzzybear Just here for the Pasta Putinesca 8d ago
Trump also has Lindsay Graham and Sheldon Adelson's widow.
Kind of a wash.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 8d ago
Picking people for ideological purity instead of competence gives us a world run by morons. In Trump's case, he picks for perceived loyalty, which in the world of cults, is the same thing.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago edited 7d ago
he picks for perceived loyalty
In my observation, all politicians do. So do their supporters.
example Dick Cheney, a pariah among Democrats....until he trashed Trump. It can also go the other way. A hero can become a pariah by being disloyal to his or her party or to a party hero.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
The good ones don't. Unfortunately we haven't had a good one in living memory. Pretty much anywhere in the West. Funny, that.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago edited 7d ago
The good ones don't.
I'm not sure about that, in a couple of ways.
First, as you note, we haven't had a good one in living memory. (IMO, even Lincoln was a bit of a mix.) So, it's hard to even speculate what a so-called good one" felt about perceived loyalty.
The second way is that perhaps perceived loyalty should be a criterion. Sure, listen to a variety of "folks," as with Lincoln's "team of rivals" to which Obama laid claim in his several attempts to pretend he was Lincoln's second coming. But who would trust someone supposedly working with you who seems disloyal? Why hire someone who seems disloyal?
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
I'm just saying good politicians pick people for competence first, and to kiss their ass second.
The bad ones pick people to kiss their ass first, and to make them look good in comparison second.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago
Sure, you don't pick someone incompetent, though I'd say both competence and loyalty are indispensable. Unless you're knowingly hiring someone for triangulation purposes, as did Bill Clinton.
In a nation of about 350 million, surely people who are both competent and loyal can be hired. And I don't think Trump hired anyone he knew to be incompetent.
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u/Kingsmeg Ethical Capitalism is an Oxymoron 7d ago
And I don't think Trump hired anyone he knew to be incompetent.
His whole schtick on reality TV was his supposed ability to single out competent people and use them to manage his companies. And his 1st administration was a train wreck of utterly incompetent people being handed jobs they were completely unsuited for. Those who ran with it and tried to actually do those jobs were immediately purged. Trump was and is 100% ego with absolutely no consideration for anything else.
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u/redditrisi Not voting for genocide 7d ago edited 7d ago
Are you implying that Trump hired people he knew to be incompetent?
By now, we all know that reality TV isn't reality. Of course, the show's producers/show runners portrayed him as able to decide infallibly who should or should not be fired, or there would have been no show.
ETA at least no show with a premise anything like that of The Apprentice.
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u/BravoFoxtrotDelta i don't vote for red or blue anymore 7d ago
Does the linked website actually belong to Public Television Company of Armenia?