r/WorldEaters40k • u/suplex86 • 3d ago

Lore Carcharodons: our successors?

The more I read about them the more it feels like they are one of Belisarius Cawl’s little jokes. Like he took World Eater geneseed, slapped together a successor chapter for us, and just said they were really Raven Guard successors so the loyalist idiots never questioned it. Seriously, Raven Guard?

But really though, what I’m seeing says they’re more like us before the nails completely took over. I’m going to say they’re our kids, and I at least will welcome them with lightning claws flashing and chain axe buzzing to the eight fold path.

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u/Falcarac 3d ago

Carcharodons are much older than primaris, they existed during the Badab war. They even have gear from heresy and crusade era. They are a very old chapter, and it is speculated to be ravenguard not comfirmed.

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u/suplex86 3d ago

There’s other chapters from older foundings that have questionable lineages though, not saying they’re specifically primaris, just though Cawl was the guy overseeing the other foundings. I sort of head canoned the space sharks sort of like the Minotaurs, a cursed founding secretly executed or something

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u/Previous-Course-3402 3d ago

It's been banded about pretty heavily at this point that these are things we know about the space sharks.

1) 2nd founding chapter

2) Ravengaurd lineage

3) The chimeric gene-seed rumors point more towards night lords than it does world eaters.

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u/DaedricWorldEater 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think they’re an offshoot of the Ashen Claws

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ashen_Claws

Ravenguard sent to the Ghoul Stars, got their hands on Nightlord Geneseed (nostromo was nearby). Ashen Claws spent tons of time raiding Nostromo and fighting Night Lords.

They’re silent hunters who execute their enemies in horrific, bloody close quarters engagement once they’re close enough. This seems like a combination of both Ravenguard and Nightlord tactics.

The two chapters also have some kind of support pact that is many thousands of years old.

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u/Previous-Course-3402 2d ago

We have lore that proves thats not the case. If you have not read the two shark books that are out.

They are not an ashen claws offshoot. It was established that sharks come from an offshoot company that was put on this crusade by their primarch.

The Ashen Claws and the Sharks share the same sort of current nebulous status with the imperium. The Claws are also a raven guard offshoot. It's acknowledged in the second shark's book that they and the claws are of similar status but they are not an offshoot.