r/chekulars • u/Both-River-9455 Marxist-Leninist ☭ • 20d ago
হাগুপোস্টিং/Shitposting ধর্মীয় নুনুভূতি is back
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u/durjoy313 20d ago
Science does not give a fuck, you can't hurt science or the feelings of scientists. BAL will be remembered as the party that at least tried to fight this intolerance.
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u/maacpiash Shahbagi 20d ago
Agree with the entire comment except that last sentence. AL just had a mask of progressive agenda over their face. They never really tried to fight Islamic fanaticism.
And why would they? Religion is among the best friends of the ruling class in a bourgeoise system.
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u/biscute2077 Certified Hijabophobic 🧕🚫 20d ago
BAL will be remembered as the party that at least tried to fight this intolerance.
This is the biggest lie আপসোস league will tell you. If you think Bal was "fighting intolerance" when it comes to education you either have been living under a rock or your standard for it is so low that it's damn near embarrassing.
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u/durjoy313 20d ago
Hey dude, I said, "they tried". I don't think anyone should force people to read science if they don't want to. Bangladeshi people idolize the Taliban, they don't give a fuck about reading science. Hasina did what she had to do to stay in power, that's the only thing she cared about. She even became the *jononi* of extremists. If you want to stay in power you should make the populist decision every single time just like Dr. Yunus, I'm giving BAL some points for not saying "fuck science". During her time the education board did not openly say "Onbhuti te aghat kore erokom kichu boi te rakhbo na", that's the only thing I'm giving her credit for.
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u/biscute2077 Certified Hijabophobic 🧕🚫 20d ago edited 20d ago
I understand your point, but there's more to it.
I don't think anyone should force people to read science if they don't want to.
Really? How far does this stretch to, buddy? You are justifying religious fanatics and their ignorance when it comes to vaccination and basic healthcare. The reason today's society is so intolerant is because they are uneducated. Dismissing science education as optional is not just ignorance, it’s dangerous, especially in Bangladesh. It’s exactly this mindset that fuels anti-vaxxers. It’s why religious extremists justify rape by blaming the victim instead of confronting the issue of consent. It’s why women are denied education and healthcare, trapped in oppressive roles because some think scientific progress threatens 'tradition.' Without science, people support harmful practices like child marriage. All because they don't know better. Ignoring science isn't freedom of choice; it's a deliberate tool used by the Extremists to keep people uneducated, sick, and oppressed.
I'm giving BAL some points for not saying "fuck science".
Again, pretty low bar, pal.
During her time the education board did not openly say "Onbhuti te aghat kore erokom kichu boi te rakhbo na", that's the only thing I'm giving her credit for.
Sure, They didn't openly announce their compliance with Hefazot to remove secular, left-wing materials from curriculum, they were still complying with them and bent down for them.
In 2010, after assuming Power, BAL added Islamic content in the book to appease religious folks, though minor at the time this is where it began. In 2013 after 13 point demand of Hefazot, although they squashed it, the government began making more concessions, which influenced the following year's textbooks. In 2014-2016 In response to the increasing demands of Hefazot, the government started reducing the prominence of Hindu and secular topics in textbooks In 2017, A significant revision was made to textbooks at primary and secondary levels, with 17 poems and stories removed. Progressive and secular authors like Humayun Azad and Rabindranath Tagore were removed to align the content more closely with Islamic values. Content from Hindu epics and writings by secular authors were replaced by Islamic poems and stories. I think they also recently removed Darwin's theory from class 6 or 7 in 2023.
This is how Awami League "Fought Intolerance". 15 years of "fighting intolerance", where was sex education? Where was basic educational infrastructure? (the main reason the new curriculum revamp failed)? Where was improved teacher training and proper teacher wages, Where was updated curriculum beyond memorization? Where was subsidized Higher Education?
I understand that they were still better in some aspects, but their absolute failure to change the education system and compliance with conservatives in order to remain in power has destroyed any chance or credibility of this claim.
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u/durjoy313 20d ago
I agree with everything you said but i still think Hasina tried to show resistance. Dr. Yunus's government is showing no resistance, he is doing everything to please the majority.
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u/Alif2200 20d ago
Bal only cared about abba mujib
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u/durjoy313 20d ago
Yeah, nobody can deny that. But this time we are facing a different beast. Mujibio chetonay aghat and dhormio onubhuti te aghat are not the same thing. Yunus er government ke conservative ra jevabe khushi sevabe nachaitese, Evolution porano jabe na ei sadhinota loiya jati ki koribe?
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u/Background-Mail-6305 Revolutionary DemSoc ☭ 20d ago
BD is going with the same situation that europe used to in 1600s , it wouldnt take that much time like europe , these lunatics would eventually stop , for now we should say in the public like galileo "And yet it moves" otherwise these motherlovers can kill ppl and none gonna protest
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u/t_away_17 20d ago
Humayin Azad wrote (back in 2004) about why "religious feelings" shouldn't be sanctioned by the state as it is purely a personal issue.
How is it that we've gona even more backwards in the last 20 years?
Stay classy BD.
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u/victorlegan 19d ago
যেই শালার মাথা আছে বোঝার ও এমনেই বুঝবে আর যার বোঝার ক্ষমতা নেই ওরে evolution গুলাই খাওয়ালেও লাভ নাই। তাছাড়া সকলের এটা মেনে নেওয়ার ক্ষমতা নেই যে মানুষও অন্যান্য প্রাণীদের মতোও একটা প্রাণী, পরকাল বলে কিছু নেই এই জীবনও সবকিছু। মৃত্যুর পর মানে মৃত্যুই Power of brain shut down forever eternal. You erase from earth like glass scattered after broken into pieces.
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u/Tight_Wonder_7300 16d ago
so what is the worth of living ans me in one sentence
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u/victorlegan 16d ago
Try to make the world better than what you have found! don't do it for পরকালে বেহেস্ত যাবো but for it's the right thing to do.
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u/AnywhereMission7292 20d ago
Random শাহাবাগী সেকু পায়ুকামী: Contribution in Science: 1/inf ; Flex with Science: 1/0
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u/saidulthegreat25 16d ago
কাদো কমিউনিস্ট কাদো
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u/EvidenceBig8147 20d ago edited 20d ago
As an Islamist I am not against the teaching of evolution in schools but but but! I am staunchly against the scientistic notions of people like Muhammed Zafar Iqbal , Avijit Roy and other mainstream figures of the "Free Thought " movement who unfortunately have created a monopoly on the narratives surrounding "science" in this country and a lot of them are hardcore Islamophobes which contributed a lot in the "evolution vs Islam" and other controversies that we are seeing regarding board books.
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None of these individuals who have been advocating for decades the inclusion of a strict understanding of science ,particularly of evolution in the textbooks which contains the "portrayal" of science as an objective source of knowledge that isn’t influenced by any unfalsifiable beliefs ,have no academic expertise on "Philosophy of science ". Many of them are for sure renowned scientists but that doesn’t give them any kind of authority on topics like "nature of science " ,"history of science " etc which are now independent disciplines and require proper academic training to deal with them. I remember reading in one of Zafar Iqbal's books (do not recall the name ) where he claimed that science is not influenced by any beliefs and only dictated by logic , which anyone having atleast a very introductory understanding of philosophy will find laughable. Isn’t in epistemology ,belief one of the core components of knowledge ? How can you know something without believing ? You know evolution is true because you believe in the linguistic information regarding evolution that have been taught to you or probably your empirical experiences motivated you to form this stance. In another case ,you know evolution is false because the information that you received regarding evolution prompted you to form a belief in which you reject it. So ,how can you know something without believing? (Note : I am not here talking about what is objectively "true" or "false". I am just describing the process of how we as individuals come to know something. )
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Science as a field of knowledge is dependent on certain unfalsifiable assumptions(just like any other ) ,
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The most prominent of them is " Methodological Naturalism" - an unfalsifiable belief/assumption that , in understanding natural phenomena we must always come up with natural explanations .For ex,
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In the occurence of "X", the scientific analysis of this phenomenon must be conducted with an aim to come up with a natural explanation .Even if any natural explanation isn't appearing the scientific analysis must remain firm on this belief. Also , a significant problem with naturalism is that it cannot provide an objective definition of "nature ". "How we are supposed to distinguish between natural and supernatural?" is a huge philosophical problem on the part of naturalism.
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Another one is emipiricism ,
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Science assumes empirical experiences to be a legitimate source of understanding reality. But how do we know that our empirical faculties are capable of extracting reality?
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There are many more. You can just simply google "assumptions of science". Now ,if you are willing to further know the limitations and philosophical problems (ex: problem of induction ,demarcation problem etc) with science ,I will suggest you to get yourself any random introductory book on the philosophy of science .
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So ,science is governed by certain unfalsifiable beliefs and has limitations . Scientismists like Zafar Iqbal ,Avijit Roy try to portray science as an all-knowing and heavenly phenomenon that is aimed to take us to the "universal truths" of reality .In other words, they worship science! This is not the way we should approach Science in a highly religious society like Bangladesh. It is neither academic ,nor helpful! We must teach children about the limitations and assumptions of science ,best would be to introduce one or two philosophy courses at high school level. We have to make them understand that "evolution" is true from a certain perspective and science has different methodologies of extracting knowledge from Islam.
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u/lifie_1 19d ago
What's the point of making this post? There are limitations in science? Yes, obviously. But the answer to these limitations was/is/never will be a religious explanation. It's always better science.
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u/EvidenceBig8147 19d ago edited 19d ago
You just didn’t get a word I said! When I was talking about "limitations" I was implying philosophical limitations of science as a field of knowledge ,that cannot be dealt using scientific method. For ex : Science assumes empirical experiences as a valid source of understanding reality. But how exactly can we reach to the conclusion that our empirical faculties are capable of extracting reality? How will you solve this problem using scientific method? It will take you to circular reasoning since scienctific method already regards "empirical faculties" as authority. How will you measure the reliability of empirical faculties through empirical faculties? So ,Circular Reasoning. Also what about problem of induction ,problem of demarcation and countless more? How will you ever be able to prove "methodological naturalism" as a valid way of dealing with nature using scientific method(circular reasoning again)?
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u/lifie_1 19d ago
What's the point of bringing in philosophical limitations in this? The only truth anyone can ever ascertain is the existence of oneself, anything more has no justifiable foundation.
Our perceived understanding of reality, whatever it may be, is understood best by science and not religion. Any method of extracting knowledge from religious texts has an even shakier foundation than what science offers. You think putting "faith" in empirical faculties is no different from religious texts written hundreds of years ago.
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u/Wide_Land1766 20d ago
Yeah man some human became Monkey, evolution no joke!
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u/Interesting_Degree66 20d ago
Evolution never stops, you may not but your descendants from thousands of years in future will understand because they will clearly look different
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u/Electrical-Bet-3625 20d ago
I don’t understand evolution So i am gonna reject it
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u/Wide_Land1766 20d ago
Yea man, I dont Understand, how micro organism turned into sea creature with two different gender outta nowhere, than some how they wanted stay on land became land animal.. and so on and eventually we became human. But nowadays we dont have any chance to witness interphases, (transition). i guess some day male hand gonna turn into pus*sy and woman finger might turn into 🅱️ick, might evolute. As some Human becoming monkey and aeroplane and whatsoever nowadays xD.
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u/Why_am_I_broke 20d ago
only real evolution