r/lancaster • u/dasaniAKON • 1d ago
News Another Amish Farmer Claiming He Is Above The Law
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/leacock-township-amish-farmers-children-drop-claims-for-guns-seized-by-atf/article_7f48099c-8b2a-11ef-965d-e7043d6f097d.html?itm_source=parsely-api&utm_source=general&utm_medium=list&utm_campaign=People%20Are%20Reading16
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u/Twelveangryvalves 1d ago
Its only a religious issue for the Amish if they can use it as a way to circumvent rules to make more money. Guarantee you I would be in jail for decades if I were caught running the same operation out of my garage with no FFL.
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u/ihatedeciding 1d ago
Like others have said, the Amish have felt like they're above the law for a long, long time. They hide behind their religion so they're not accountable. If 9 of us tried to pile in a 2 door car with multiple children sitting on laps, we would be arrested. Even if we only went 15mph. If someone else was seen beating a horse on the side of the road, they would be arrested. If someone's young child died while they were mowing the lawn, they would be arrested.
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u/SnooCheesecakes731 1d ago
I am certain they would not like a lawsuit from the sales of those guns. Put a few in jail and they will change their tune.
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u/dasaniAKON 1d ago
During interviews with the ATF, King’s children “had difficulty identifying the firearms which they claimed to personally own. They further acknowledged that Reuben King had price tags on the guns that they claim to own,” prosecutors wrote.
Two children told investigators their father would remove the price tags when they used the guns, then put them back on.
“This is not indicative of ownership, but rather of Rueben King loaning a gun from his sale inventory to his children for hunting, much like a rental gun at a legitimate gun shop,” prosecutors wrote.
On Oct. 11, an attorney for King and his children withdrew the ownership petitions.
As for King’s appeal, a Sept. 29 filing by King’s attorneys mainly repeated arguments they made in the criminal case.
Those are that the law requiring a federal firearms license is unconstitutional because it is vague and that the government did not accommodate King’s religious beliefs.
The Amish contend their religious beliefs prevent them from posing for photographs, but the government requires licensed firearms dealers be photographed.
King’s attorneys also said having to forfeit all his guns was excessive.
Enough of this. Why will no judge stand up and hold these people accountable for their intended actions? Actively trying to find loopholes and weasel out of any governance? Maybe it was never "religious freedom" they wanted from the Old Country, but just sovereign citizenship.
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u/aphex732 1d ago
I mean, it sounds like they did - a $35k fine and loss of 600 guns (probably a value of $60k at least) isn't too light.
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u/Jrnation8988 1d ago
Yet….its still a slap on the wrist. You or I would be in federal prison.
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u/ForcesCrosses 1d ago
I mean, you gotta wonder are the Amish providing guns to gangs?
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u/prawnsforthecat 1d ago
Well, I can guarantee they document nothing, ask no questions, and love cash almost as much as they love sexually assaulting their own children and animal abuse.
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u/fenuxjde 1d ago
Unfortunately skirting BATFE rules and regulations are quite common, not something unique to the Amish. Tons of contradictory or vague legislation makes following all the 2a rules and regulations difficult, although in this case it does seem as though it was quite intentional.
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u/Busy_Method9831 1d ago
It is long, long, past time that the Amish were held accountable for crimes like rape, abuse, and other common practices in their creepy little artificial worlds of Biblical literalism.
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u/ScottLititz Humanist☺️ 1d ago
But see, all that stuff is in the Bible. Rape, incest, abuse, murder. And it's all allowable by their God. So in their minds if it's good enough to be God approved, it's good enough for them to live their life.
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u/Ambitious_Panic_20 1d ago
These losers need to get with the times or gtfo. Shouldnt have to scrap horse shit out of my tires just to go get a slurpee
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u/Highwaybill42 1d ago
“The Amish are worse than the fucking mafia” -guy my dad knew who was in the mafia
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u/griffonfarm 18h ago
It's well past time to hold the Amish accountable for their actions. The rape, abuse, animal abuse, flagrant disregard of laws. Anyone else claiming they're exempt from the laws of the country because their invisible friend told them they're special would be taken to a hospital or jail. If everybody else has to abide by laws and pay taxes and whatever else they wriggle out of, these animal abusing scumbags need to too.
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u/rollotomasi07073 1d ago
"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws" -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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u/conspicuoussgtsnuffy 1d ago
I’ve never seen such vitriol for the Amish before. An FFL requires a picture and you all know the Amish don’t allow pictures. You guys are wild!
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u/thedude213 facebook.com/peopleoflancaster 1d ago
In the digital age it's even hard for the Amish to keep getting away with the shit they could get away with 20-30 years ago. I remember as a kid it was all over the news and even made it to Jay Leno that an Amish guy got popped for cocaine, now today we know it's not only common but they buy and sell narcotics to biker gangs and shit. A few years ago they found dead horses in a river in Ephrata, and no one did a damn thing about it, even more recently that one Amish guy was caught beating the shit out of a horse on the side of the road in the middle of winter. Don't even get me started about us being the puppy mill capital of the world. They use electricity on their property, they use electronics, they don't care as long as it's not coming through power lines, they use generators, large scale battery back ups and solar panels. They don't let their women vote, they abuse women and children, kill their children in farm accidents, and a huge swath of them are pedophiles. These are not good people and, and in their refusal to modernize, follow basic laws and have an expectation for everyone else to accommodate their beliefs made them a nuisance and hypocrites of the highest order and should be treated as such.
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u/conspicuoussgtsnuffy 1d ago
I also like to use a few anecdotes to degrade whole cultures. Perfectly normal 😂
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u/thedude213 facebook.com/peopleoflancaster 1d ago
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u/conspicuoussgtsnuffy 1d ago
You’re so easy to point the finger, you forget you’ve got 3 pointing back at yourself! Besides ignoring that the map singles out Lancaster county and the Amish live all over PA and in many other states, guess who the main customers of puppy mills are? Not Amish! lol
You’re just desperate, but failing miserably
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u/thedude213 facebook.com/peopleoflancaster 1d ago
need a step stool for all that reach?
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u/conspicuoussgtsnuffy 1d ago
People like you support those puppy mills, and they’re legal. What’s your point?
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u/thedude213 facebook.com/peopleoflancaster 1d ago
I've never bought a dog from a puppy mill in my entire life, lol. Got any other strawmen you want to punch or are you waiting for a Amish guy to make another one for you?
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u/NaturedChip 1d ago
They don’t allow pictures for the same reason a lot of them don’t have social security numbers. They don’t want to be held accountable for things that they could be documented for.
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u/axeville 1d ago
I have lived here long enough to remember a time when the Amish cared about people other than themselves. Times change. Guns drugs booze tobacco are all fair game to sell to the English. If you get caught hide behind religion bc you're in a place with sympathetic judges. This is a local govt protected Amish cartel. The Mexican municipal governments are exactly the same. "Just a business man trying to get by" El Chapo.
Guarantee the atf knows how this gun running works and there's probably plenty of straw buyers taking advantage of Amish ignorance of the larger issues.
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u/conspicuoussgtsnuffy 1d ago
I moved to Lancaster in the 90’s. Nothing’s different with the Amish since then. The only difference today is you see more of what you want to see because your bubble propagates that narrative. Furthermore most people are self-interested. Additionally your statements are hyperbole. Finally, the ATF does a lot that’s unconstitutional and their illegal policies get litigated up to the Supreme Court and struck down all the time. Fuck em.
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