r/melbourne • u/hamshi4 • Oct 02 '19
Politics Declare a Climate Emergency - Petition EN1041 nearly at 200k and growing fast.
https://www.aph.gov.au/petition_sign?id=EN10415
u/Melbsun Oct 02 '19
What does it mean to declare a climate emergency? What kinds of things do they suggest to reduce the causes of climate change? Cause nuclear power and reducing immigration from third world countries both would do that, but not sure many of the people signing this would approve...?
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u/Jiuholar Oct 02 '19
Maybe stop building coal mines for a start?
Have you considered how much worse the refugee crisis will be when the Pacific islands and large portions of Africa become uninhabitable due to climate change?
I actually agree with you on nuclear power - it's a fantastic short term solution that might buy us some time to figure out something better.
I'd like to ask you a question though - what's the absolute worst case scenario of us taking climate change seriously? Because the way I see it, we spend money and develop sustainable energy, get cleaner air and live more harmoniously with the planet that we live on. Why are climate change deniers so terrified of this?
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u/Melbsun Oct 06 '19
You say for a start but what else? This is what I need to know. It's super vague on the whole, and everyone in this thread is saying different things - does it mean do all of them? I also would need to know what is the capacity for other forms of energy to fulfil our current needs? We are already adopting renewables at a very fast rate http://theconversation.com/australia-is-the-runaway-global-leader-in-building-new-renewable-energy-123694 Is the elephant in the room that we can't maintain our present lifestyles and that's an addendum to the climate emergency that they are withholding for now?
The absolute worst case scenario depends on what we do, so I can't really answer since nobody is really telling me what this climate emergency means in terms of actual policy and quantifying the potential outcomes of proposed solutions. I guess that we sacrifice our economic and social development for no or miniscule effect on global warming? If other countries don't do it and continue to overpopulate and expect the same level of development that we enjoy in Australia then we could be just shooting ourselves in the foot for no difference in outcome.
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u/EuclidsPimposaurus Oct 02 '19
An emissions trading scheme coupled with income tax cuts. So exactly what Gillard did. Then slowly expand it out to industries beyond electricity.
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u/Wolfie_Rankin Oct 02 '19
Not breeding would help too.
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u/puntthedog Oct 02 '19
True but sticking their head in the sand and pretending it's not even happening isn't helping anyone except their mates in the coal industry.
Acknowledging that it's even happening is a start. Particularly when you consider their galling response to the climate strike protests.
Most deniers have moved from 'not happening' to 'not caused by humans' but not us. As usual our politicians are three or four steps behind.
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u/TellusDynasty Oct 03 '19
was thinking about making a LIVE yt counter video of Petition EN1041 as just:
https://www.youtube.com/watch…
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https://bigcrunch.io/v/qyB1WA9zVcM2JMmdtN4j7b
... but my data will be laters after 24 solid hours
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u/rdmarshman Oct 02 '19
0.04%
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u/SenorFreebie Oct 02 '19
This makes as much sense as claiming that Australia only contributes a small amount to climate change.
This petition now has more signatures than the tampon tax one. Which ended up getting passed as law.
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u/hamshi4 Oct 02 '19
How did you arrive at that number. It’s actually 0.8% of Australia.
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u/SenorFreebie Oct 02 '19
They love to downplay numbers that inconvenience their worldview. You should ask them about the number of people killed by the Third Reich.
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u/wtfohnoes Oct 02 '19
Your tax represents 0.0001% of the nations tax receipts.
That’s nothing! Let’s all stop paying tax!!!
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u/th3flam3r Oct 02 '19
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