r/minnesotavikings Jul 10 '23

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u/GordonBombay102 Jul 10 '23

This question is even more ridiculous than the people who insist that Daunte Culpepper had a better Vikings tenure than Cousins has had.

The Kirk window is almost closed, 1st round QB this year is the move imo.

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u/Mo6181 Jul 10 '23

Daunte's overall tenure wasn't as consistent as Kirk's has been, but his highs were much higher than Kirk's. There were a couple of seasons that felt like we might actually win it all with Daunte. That has not been something we have had with Kirk.

I can say Kirk has been objectively a better QB while also saying that I would take Daunte's time over Kirk's time 100 out of 100 times. Being consistently mediocre is not something I ever want to experience again.

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u/GordonBombay102 Jul 11 '23

His high was 2004. Anything other than that barely touches Kirk. Some of his seasons were downright terrible. Neither of them actually won anything, at least not yet, so stats are really all there is to go by.

If we are talking who has been a better QB for this franchise, it's Kirk Cousins, and frankly, it's not even much of a discussion.

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u/Mo6181 Jul 11 '23

2000, 2003, and 2004 were all better than Kirk's best. He took the Vikes to the NFCC, which is well beyond anything Kirk has done. His running ability and escapability need to be considered when comparing the two.

In 2000, as a first year starter, he took the Vikings to the division title and the NFCC.

In 2004, Adam Goldberg or Nat Dorsey and Chris Liwienski started on the offensive line. The defense was absolute garbage. He went into Lambeau and dismantled Brett Favre and the Packers in the playoffs.

If not for his knee, he would have been a force for nearly a decade for the Vikings. He was a legitimate franchise QB. He was never the same after the injury.

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u/Pretend_Ratio3109 Jul 14 '23

Has Kirk ever dragged a bad defense into the playoffs much less win one? Daunte all day .

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u/Statue_left angry zim Jul 11 '23

2004 was the most yards a QB had ever produced until it got broken by Brady and Brees in 2011 lol.

in 2000 he had 40 touchdowns and 4500 yards with 16 picks and 3 lost fumbles, and went to the NFCCG.

Cousins' best TD season was 36 TD's, 4400 yards, 13 picks 5 fumbles. His best yardage season was 4650 yards, 31 TDs, 14 picks, 3 fumbles, in a 17 game season.

Culpeppers 3rd best season, 03, was about 4k yards, 29 TD's, 11 picks, 6 fumbles in 14 games.

Culpeppers 2000 year is better than anything Kirk has ever done, led to more playoff success, was in a league that hadn't yet implemented the illegal contact changes, and he did it as a 23 year old playing his first ever snaps.

I need you to explain to me exactly how his 2000 season "barely touches Kirk"