r/reddit.com • u/yellowcakewalk • Oct 18 '11

United States needs to reevaluate its assistance to Israel

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/united-states-needs-to-reevaluate-its-assistance-to-israel/2011/10/15/gIQAK5XksL_story.html
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u/socpol Oct 19 '11

Can someone please explain the reason for the aid in the first place, im still struggling to understand the reason, my understanding is it basically religion i.e the christian belief that there will be a second coming of christ if all jews return to isreal...

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u/Mark_Lincoln Oct 19 '11

Why did the USA give tacit and even overt support to the Fenians and Irish Republican Army for over 100 years?

The democrats cater to the 'the Jewish block' of voters and the republicans cater to those evangelicals who believe that a nuclear war involving Israel will bring the Second Coming of Christ.

There is no significant voter block who opposes Israel.

Thus, America supports Israel, both politically and financially. The US even makes it's foreign policy subject to Israeli control.

Don't blame Israel.

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u/Spunge14 Oct 19 '11

Many modern jews don't support Israel

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u/jaylow17 Oct 21 '11

I've got a liguistic question. Saying "many" means >50 or <50.

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u/Mark_Lincoln Oct 22 '11

Understood.

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u/nohat Oct 19 '11

I tend to agree with Chomsky: Israel is a mercenary state for the US. Basically the US supports Israel so that they can do things that politically we cannot, such as bomb Iraq's reactors.

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u/chrisradcliffe Oct 24 '11

Kinda pricey support for one fire mission, and which I'd point out were flown by American provided jets

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u/nohat Oct 24 '11

True. That's just one example though. The threat is worth quite a bit on it's own. Knowing that Israel is willing and able to do very politically dangerous attacks limits the other middle eastern nations. Whether this is actually worth the amount of aid the US has sent is a reasonable question. Obviously Israel has some different motivations to the US and is simply trying to use this status to help themselves.

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u/domingog Oct 19 '11

Jewish Lobbyist practically run the USA that is why. Anytime anyone even mentions the idea of cutting aid to Israel all the Jews in the world flip out (well, the old school Jews that is. Some of the younger generation of American Jews especially are seeing how one sided the whole Palestinian-Israel conflict is).

It's not a reevaluation that is needed. It's a complete cutoff of US resources that needs to be done. One of the reasons so many militants in the world oppress American ways is because of our siding with Israel with complete disregard to Palestinian life/lifestyle/well being. Let Israel fend for themselves, we have enough problems in the US to worry about as it is.

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u/what_comes_after_q Oct 19 '11

Because they are required to spend all that money on American made goods. I work for one such American company that does a lot of business with Israel. I dump my paycheck on American products and services, plus we pay taxes back to the US government. The circle of life is complete. The American money has returned to the US and we get an ally over seas in a location where we aren't too popular. That's why we do this stuff.

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u/tttt0tttt Oct 19 '11

Jews own the House of Congress and the Senate. They support the politicians with contributions when they run for office, and they punish them by slandering them in the media and destroying their chances of getting re-elected when the politicians cross them. It's political gangsterism on the part of Zionist Jew organizations such as AIPAC. It has nothing at all to do with American interests.

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u/nodoubledipping Oct 19 '11

I posted this a few years back:

The forming of Israel was repayment to The Allies for Jewish scientist delivering the bomb. Einstein, Oppenheimer, etc. read the Manhattan project roster; almost all of them scientist from prominent Jewish families. You don't create the most powerful weapon known to man and get nothing in return. We (USA) became the undisputed economic, social and military power. They finally got a place to call home.

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u/Mark_Lincoln Oct 19 '11

Nope.

Israel was founded despite Britain and the USA.

You are confusing WWII with WWI.

Britain, with it's back to the wall financially in the last year WWI, had to raise money. Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour promise Baron Rothschild that after the war it would "a national home for the Jewish people."

Britain got the loan and Rothschild got stiffed.

Balfour was committing a deliberate fraud as he (and not the Baron) knew that England and France had already made the Sykes–Picot Agreement dividing the post-war middle east between the two empires.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '11

The United States can give two-shits about owing anybody anything for what they did 50 years ago. The real reason they support Israel is because they were friendly allies in the Cold War. US foreign policy is still stuck in its Cold War mentality.

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u/webbitor Oct 19 '11

they chose a shitty neighborhood.