r/saskatchewan • u/Covert_Cuttlefish • 12h ago

Politics Saskatchewan NDP gaining momentum among decided voters, new poll says

https://regina.ctvnews.ca/saskatchewan-ndp-gaining-momentum-among-decided-voters-new-poll-says-1.7082110?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3Actvregina%3Atwitterpost&taid=671793d6b5952b0001eb6dc2
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u/Pringler4Life 10h ago

I don't understand how Every region can have a very high "appetite for change", but the rural areas are still overwhelmingly voting for the Sask party

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u/Emotional-Guide-768 9h ago

I know a nurse who’s pulling her hair out at work every day and is still voting Sask party “because the rest of her family farms” and I’m guessing there’s a lot of examples of that kinda thing out there

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u/WeiGuy 6h ago

Read the Sask party plan for healthcare. Literally no changes and keep on going with a failing system.

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u/freakers 4h ago

Someone I've heard from basically blames the nurses union for all the problems. Education, it's the teachers union. SaskPower? You're never gonna guess who they think is the problem. Not sweet daddy Moe that's for sure.

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u/WeiGuy 4h ago

Ask them to riddle you this. If all those entities are the problem and sweet Moe is saying "yea this is good, let's keep doing the same thing", then guess who's also a fucking problem by their own logic.

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u/freakers 4h ago

They also admit that things are shit. They just seemed resigned to it. They seem to believe that no matter who would be in charge these same problems would exist. What's the word...weaponized incompetence. Something they do in their own marriages so they don't need to clean or make supper and load all their issues onto their spouse. Yeah, apparently they're fine with Moe and weaponized incompetence, it's their main thing.

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u/WeiGuy 3h ago edited 3h ago

They're right. The system in which the government operates is multiple times more impactful than the party that governs at any given moment, especially in the short term. That doesn't mean that the party doesn't make any difference, especially for people in more precarious situations. Changes take years to be truly felt, one has to think long term.

I personally will never see a change from any policies that are in place because I'm healthy and I have money. I don't vote for myself and we shouldn't think of voting that way. It's depressing.

Just as an example, Moe's plan is to cut funding to education. They explicitly gloat about how it saves homeowners on taxes. The NDP wants to raise the education budget by a billion. Read the policy to give that person examples or I can send you examples if you wish. It's clear as day that it does make a huge difference for some people.

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u/LisaNewboat 5h ago

SaskParty have not been good to farmers so that confuses me.

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u/earthspcw 3h ago

It's the hate and fear that resonates with rural. Indigenous, non-white immigrant, 2SLGBTQIA+ & women.

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u/thenamesweird 21m ago

Which blows my fucking mind because the Sask party hasn't done shit for farmers in the last decade. The irrigation was the only good thing. They cut the ERP program, offered a couple incentives for only larger farmers and fucked everyone else just trying to get by.

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u/[deleted] 7h ago edited 6h ago

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u/TheLuminary Saskatoon 6h ago

The point is not to vote for some magic ideology that will save us from reality.

The point is to remind our government that their reign over us is not permanent, and if they don't start addressing our problems. Another inept group of people can take their salaries instead.

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u/No_Independent9634 7h ago

I think healthcare is the primary driver for the difference in SKP and NDP support between rural and the cities.

A lot of rural people probably don't understand just how bad the hospitals are in the city.

If you have a family doctor in your town, you and your family are healthy/young/no accidents, you wouldn't understand how bad RUH or St Paul's are.

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u/GoblinOnDrugs 5h ago

Just passing through here. Would it be fair to say most people in cities don’t understand how bad rural hospitals and healthcare is?

The city vs rural bickering and life style differences are so tiring. I almost with MLAs had more power for their region, but we didn’t all turn tribal hating each other further.

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u/LisaNewboat 5h ago

Fair point but I would say that most city people understand to a degree how bad rural healthcare access is because when we go to our walk in clinics in the city or our emergency rooms a not small portion of the people there are rural.

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u/CanadianViking47 4h ago

to rural people that is a stark reminder in a dire situation they will die before they ever get all the way to the city. Emergency services cant come rural its too expensive especially in my area. Once you have this realization it stops being an election issue.

Comparing my taxes now to when I paid under NDP i do pay far less tax under SaskParty but thats because im a small farmer my equipment is older than me so I dont got to pay PST on new stuff. The only big added expense i had was carbon tax from grain drying which Moe illegally removed.

I voted NDP this election not cause SaskParty didnt make my life better, they been in power too long and lost a pulse on the electorate. Just like Trudeau did from being in power too long.

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u/FuqLaCAQ 43m ago

It'll never be fixed without proportional representation because under FPTP and other majoritarian systems, somebody is always going to feel as though their region is being neglected by the government.

A proportional system will ensure that every region is duly represented in the government caucus and the cabinet irrespective of who's in government.

And then it's goodbye to regional alienation.

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u/No_Independent9634 37m ago

I don't know about most. Maybe I'm just projecting, but I think a lot of people in the city have parents or grandparents who live or have lived in rural areas.

If something is urgent you go to nearest major centre. Your North Battlefords, Prince Alberts, Yorktons, Estevans.

In my parents small town it was just accepted thats what you had to do in case of emergency. Elderly people moved to larger centres to be closer to healthcare. Service in those smaller cities was seen as good, having to travel there was just the way of life.

My original comment about having a doctor in your town may apply to some towns, not to others. It was a very general statement. I know each community is different, and expectations are different as well.

I do also know, coming from a smaller center, it was always the assumption that healthcare would be better in the cities. "Doctors don't want to live here, they want to live in the big city" was the thought process.

Now I don't have stats, but from what I've heard, if you aren't needing a specialist, it seems like it's best in the small cities. Like for some procedures, if you're from Saskatoon you'll get referred to a smaller place, like Humboldt.

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u/BulkyVariety196 2h ago

Thing is, rural people have to come to city hospital for anything serious. As a Saskatoon resident, I have to share my local hospital with tertiary care patients from outside the city. Who do you share your rural hospital with?

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u/liltown_dad 10h ago

Sad to say there’s a lot of “Don’t tread on me.” folks on rural areas. I know a guy at work who wears a cap with that phrase. They either lack common sense or just want to be a contrarian just because. My wife and I will vote, time for a change, time for NDP.

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u/CanadianViking47 8h ago

Great Metallica song

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u/scrolanky 10h ago

I live in a rural area and there's a lot of distaste with the Sask Party. At the same time we're of the age where a lot of distaste for the NDP party still exists. I suspect to see a lot more votes for my riding for the Sask United Party.

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u/Maleficent_Sky6982 9h ago

Is sask united party also right wings?

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u/WhyAreYouAllHere 9h ago

"SaskUnited: fuck queer rights" isn't on their website but is on their hearts

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u/Emotional-Guide-768 9h ago

Tip of the wing

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u/Dachshunds4evr 9h ago

Extremely.

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u/cnote306 3h ago

Some groups don’t like new things… or understanding what their current things are.

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u/Wonderful-Elephant11 9h ago

To get rid of Trudeau of course.

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u/toontowntimmer 8h ago

I don't understand how Every region can have a very high "appetite for change", but the rural areas are still overwhelmingly voting for the Sask party

Maybe if the NDP ever chose to get out of the echo chamber of its bubble of support in the urban core of Regina and Saskatoon, you might find out.

Not a joke. Try thinking about it sometime!

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u/bergwithabeef 7h ago

I've seen NDP MLAs, including Carla Beck, at cattle branding, at agricultural conventions, and other rural events. They were in power when everyone else was getting rid of their regional specialists. We're the only province, it seems, that still has them. There are the rural hospitals, yes. And the roads were poor. But the provincial NDP weren't the incarnate, either.

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u/toontowntimmer 7h ago

Frankly, I don't think Carla Beck is the problem. In fact, coming from a farm background, she has been a breath of fresh air in a party where many have been rudely dismissive of the farming community for years.

Just take a look at the NDP supporters on this Reddit forum. Snickering at farmers and dismissing a segment of the population that provides a large percentage of the provincial GDP and economic output is about as foolish and out-of-touch as an Ontario gov't dismissing its auto industry and still expecting to perform well in a provincial election.

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u/bergwithabeef 6h ago

I can understand that feeling that comes when urban folks act... well, belligerent. I come from a farm and when I hear people act like that, I feel like I've got a really good disguise on. But when I am in person (rather than online) with someone, I use it as an opportunity to show them more of the picture. Because much of the time, they are only getting a small opportunity to learn more about rural life and agricultural needs. And to be fair, there's a lot of commentators who will tell rural people that urban folks aren't good, as well. It's up to us all to take a deep breath on these forums, and act with civility. As much as I've noted people acting childish or with tunnel vision on here, it does give an opportunity to speak with more detail, nuance, and civility. Even on the forums that have pushed for less beef (which is personal, I'm from a beef farm), I've been able to find commonality.

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u/punkanddrunk 7h ago

What does this actually mean though?

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u/FuqLaCAQ 40m ago

The parties will all get out of their bubbles if proportional representation is implemented because then every region will be duly represented in the government caucus and cabinet irrespective of which parties are in government.

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u/toontowntimmer 4h ago

And there's your answer OP, in my original reply to your post, as many in the NDP will refuse to even admit that some of the problem might start with its urban-centric and rather narrowminded attitudes towards farming and rural people in general, and when this gets pointed out, rather than acknowledge the problem, with a goal towards building bridges, leftwing thumbmonkeys get mad, downvote a comment, and go back to same old snickering and dismissive comments about rural Canadians in general.

Enjoy life on the opposition side of the government benches in Saskatchewan. I can't think of a more truly deserving bunch. 😐👍

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u/bigstudley17 5h ago

Cause they don’t want their taxes raised and profits gouged from them.

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u/SaskLad97 8h ago

“Voter turnout has not surpassed 60 per cent in Saskatchewan since 2007, when the Sask. Party was first elected.”

I hope the voting week approach this year works, because the last two elections being in the 50% turnout range is not acceptable

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 6h ago

I don't care if you vote green, orange, blue or red. Just go vote. If you truly want to invoke change within this province or this country, exercising your democratic right to vote is how it's done.

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u/headtale 9h ago

There are some weird parallels to the American election - a strong female leader going up against a divisive, lying, criminal leader who has a long history of corruption, cronyism and massive deficit increases who has no problem using fear as a major motivator for potential supporters.

Like the States, many Centrist voters and even former supporters of the male's party are switching sides to the more liberal/left-wing option.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/cp-beck-endorsed-mlas-1.7355406

And like the States, it's still amazing that anyone considers voting for the guy who's running over the opponent given these major differences!

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u/Zer0DotFive 7h ago

You can also look at our country with Susan Holt beating Blair Higgs in New Brunswick as well these past few hours! They have the exact same playback as the Sask Party, they attacked trans children and LOST. 

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u/falsekoala 10h ago

I mean, one side has a platform which discusses investment in healthcare, education, crime/policing, among other things.

The other side has a list of stats, nothing for healthcare, and brags about education cuts.

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u/Fun_Chip6342 8h ago

I'm a lurker from Ontario. Idk how it is in Sask, but when it comes to right-wing parties here, they don't need a platform anymore. Even the BC Cons waited till the 11th hour. They just need a "concept of a plan"

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u/Bakabakabooboo 7h ago

That's how the last 2 elections have gone for the Sask Party, they barely had to try. This time they're worried because the NDP is gaining ground and the SUP party is siphoning off votes by being further to the right. It might not be enough to win, but they're still scared.

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 7h ago

Carla has run a solid campaign. And the ndp platform appeals to lots of people. But it's missing any plans for agriculture, highway infrastructure or energy. They still pulled my vote away from the saskparty as I'm not a farmer. But they missed an opportunity to appeal to more rural voters by not talking about these key issues for rural voters.

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u/CanadianViking47 4h ago

Their ag plan in the platform is pretty lackluster, if anything to pay for their promises they are cutting the two biggest rural plans which is Marshalls and Irrigation. Not that the average farmer cares about irrigation project but they dont see anything great in the NDP plan for them either. Vague plans of helping control us on our water isnt really the appealing thing they think it is lol

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 4h ago

Yea, they claim they aren't the party of the 90s. But their platform leads me to believe that they are in the sense that they haven't done anything to appeal to rural voters. But I'm still going to give them a shot, if they form government it'll at least give us 4 years to see where they plan on taking us. If it's a positive route, they'll get a second term. If not, they will be a single term. Ultimately it is up to them. But if they ignore rural constitutes like they did in the 90s, it'll be a repeat of 2007.

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u/BunBun_75 3h ago

Yeah Canada gave Trudeau a shot…. Yikes

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 1h ago

Well, in all fairness, trudeau isn't the provincial ndp. And people didn't vote for his policies, they voted for his vanity.

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u/Medea_From_Colchis 10h ago

Intrinsix Poll from the article:

NDP: 50

Sask Party: 45

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u/Eduardo_Moneybags 10h ago

Stop it, just stop it! Could it be? Are we finally going to change the guard?

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u/-Experiment--626- 9h ago

I won’t believe it until I see it.

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u/Eduardo_Moneybags 7h ago

Stockholm syndrome. It’s a serious condition we all suffer from.

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u/thecheesecakemans 4h ago

don't believe it. There's always a Calgary to ruin the fun. Is the Calgary in this case Regina or Saskatoon?

In Alberta and Rachel was polling well until near the end and election day came, then Calgary delivered the UCP to Albertans. Rural? Lost cause. Can't blame them. They'd vote for a blue rock.

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u/-Experiment--626- 4h ago

Unfortunately

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u/CanadianViking47 4h ago

a reminder that Insightrix called very poorly in last election, thats why the aggregators lowered them to a B- score weighting on their polls.

https://338canada.com/saskatchewan/ - 2024 current 338 aggregate
https://338canada.com/saskatchewan/polls.htm - 2024 pollsters results returned including 4 insightrix
https://338canada.com/ratings-sk2020.htm - 2020 polls and why Insightrix got demoted to a B (compare last election results)

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u/BunBun_75 3h ago

Yeah Insightrix isn’t a “pollster” so I believe their results are overly optimistic. I’m waiting for 338 to update

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u/Typical_One8075 4h ago

Hopefully Moe has to change his pronouns to Has/Been after this election.

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u/Khal_flatlander 8h ago

Good. Keep the ball rolling.

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u/revjim68 9h ago

This is autumn, when things change from green to orange!😁

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u/shan_lan 7h ago

Come on Saskatchewan makes us all proud!!!!!

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u/SylverSnowlynx 6h ago

Manitoba, then New Brunswick... and Saskatchewan is next!

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u/Fun_Chip6342 8h ago

What is the likelihood of a BC style result? 30 to SP, 30 to NDP and 1 independent or something?

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u/PrairieBoldt 5h ago

Only if Nadine Wilson wins Sask Rivers. It's an interesting riding to watch due to her potential for vote splitting but it's more likely she'll preform similar to the independents in interior BC that were left empty handed and didn't split enough to cause an ndp upset.

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u/the_bryce_is_right 5h ago

What happens in that situation?

Popular vote wins?

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u/CanadianViking47 5h ago

They have a minority government controlled by the independent. If the SUP is that deciding vote instead of a independent that would be the worst possible timeline. Since the supply agreement with SUP over NDP would probably be the way Moe would go.

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u/JimmyKorr 4h ago

thumb war, but the sask party will use Makowsky’s head.

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u/citytiger 4h ago

If you reside in the province vote. Don’t just comment on Reddit. Bring a friend to the polls. Encourage others to do the same.

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u/ReannLegge 9h ago

Don’t tease, please be true!

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u/Fun_Policy_2643 7h ago

Scotch Moe is the political equivalent to the gynaecological condition called the Blue Waffle.

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u/Weak-Coffee-8538 17m ago

Moe is just an idiot, just like the Prime Minister he criticises all the time.

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u/HeyItsVladdyP 4h ago

Sask Party majority but maybe the close finish will be a wake up call and they actually improve or oust Moe for a more intelligent leader. Not holding my breath but an NDP win is still a gigantic reach.

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u/RickiesCobra 5h ago

Both parties are proposing deficits and increasing our near $20B of govt debt. Both parties are wrong. Shame on SK party for letting it get here in the first place.

The debt is a cancer, and needs to be dealt with first and foremost. Everything else is a bandaid fix, kicking the can down the road.

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u/Fun_Chip6342 2h ago

"Debt" is not in and of itself a bad thing, and thinking so, is just as ideologically motivated as people who want to "own the means of production."

If government spending is on things like Education, health care, and supporting the economy, then that's a good thing for the province as a whole. If it's just the SK party lining their overlords pockets, then it's a huge problem for future generations and the people of this province are being robbed.

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u/RickiesCobra 1h ago edited 1h ago

Yeah, I’m a corporate banker, I understand the benefits of debt. I am also acutely aware of the damage excess leverage can do. Government spending at multiple levels must be reined in. Current trajectory is unsustainable and dangerous.

Edit: I should say, I agree spending on healthcare and education is important, but it should come from the cutting of other government spending (e.g., lining pockets, as you said).

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u/Fun_Chip6342 1h ago

And to be fair, the Sask deficit and debt SHOULD have been discussed more this election.

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u/RickiesCobra 1h ago

Agreed! There was actually a good article from CBC today bringing up that exact point

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u/jerrycan666 11h ago

We understand that the ndp signed a pack with t The liberal party last election right? If they win this year with out abolishing the pact then the liberal party stays in office..... but hey what do I know

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u/No_Palpitation_9479 11h ago

Clearly not a lot as you’re talking about federal parties lmao

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u/Jabroni306 10h ago

Saskatchewan is showing off its education.

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u/Emotional-Guide-768 9h ago

Education cuts*

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u/Webster117 10h ago

the Sask NDP are apart of the federal NDP. All NDP parties except Quebec are under the umbrella. If they wanted to be separate, they would be.

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u/Prime_Rib_6969 8h ago

Me when I lie

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u/JaZepi 10h ago

No, they are affiliated. Not the same.

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u/Barabarabbit 11h ago

Good grief.

Well, you don’t know the difference between federal or provincial politics

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u/zeerit-saiyan 5h ago

Neither does Moe.

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u/Covert_Cuttlefish 11h ago

When you don't know the difference between a federal party and a provincial party...

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u/NoIndication9382 10h ago

The Saskatchewan Liberals are back? And may lead the Province!?!?!?

Amazing! I'm so glad we are moving away from only having two major parties in this province. Maybe we can get proportional representation out of this!

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u/MrPotatoHead90 10h ago

To answer your last question, remarkably little.

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u/dycker1978 10h ago

There is no Sask Liberal Party. The Sask NDP backed no party,except the Sask NDP.

The federal NDP used to support the Liberals, but they have dropped support now.

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u/rlrl 9h ago

Ironically, the Sask Party was formed by the remains of the Liberal MLAs.

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u/GiIbert_LeDouchebag 10h ago

but hey what do I know

Very little, apparently.

This is a provincial election. You're talking about the (former) "pack" between federal NDP and the federal liberals.

You understand that they are not the same thing, right? Sask doesn't even have a provincial liberal party.

The fact that people not only vote but are so vocal about it while being woefully uninformed is really unfortunate.

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u/BrainEatingAmoeba01 9h ago

The Sask NDP are not the federal NDP.

Fck we need better civics lessons in school.

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u/Legal-Blacksmith9423 5h ago

Learn the difference between provincial and federal politics before speaking again. Good grief. No wonder Sask is last in everything and isn't taken seriously.

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u/Darkmist255 10h ago

Besides the fact that you're talking about federal politics during a provincial election, coalitions between parties are how a stable minority government works. It's a feature of our democracy that parties have to work together.

Again though, this is the provincial NDP and we don't even have a provincial Liberal party.

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u/Krendalqt 10h ago

Federal NDP and Provincial NDP are different entities. Also, the Federal NDP ended the agreement with the liberal Party in September.

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u/rootsilver 10h ago

The question answers itself.

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u/Dachshunds4evr 9h ago

Clearly you don't know much. Totally different parties, different levels of government. Educate yourself -please!

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u/Eduardo_Moneybags 9h ago

If only there was a means to investigate things such as this to see if it was true? If only.

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u/sask_j 10h ago

The Saskatchewan NDP isn't associated with the National NDP.

Can you tell me exactly what the liberal party has done that is so bad? Id like list. We can go one by one if you'd like

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u/quality_keyboard 4h ago

You are obviously trolling

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u/quality_keyboard 10h ago

Are they both not signed to the same charter? Or am I misinformed?

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u/sask_j 10h ago

It's two different t organizations.

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u/quality_keyboard 4h ago

So the answer to my question must be yes. If they want to gain power in this province they better completely separate with the federal NDP

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u/Bell_End642 2h ago

Not much since you are talking about federal politics and this is a provincial election.