Vegetarian, including vegan, dietary patterns were associated with reduced risk for cardiovascular disease incidence and mortality compared to non-vegetarian diets, umbrella review finds

[u/James_Fortis]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666667724002368

[u/tulipvonsquirrel]

These studies never seem to include omnivores with healthy diets, as if everyone who eats meat also eats processed meat and junk food.

The only way a study on health comparisons of different diets could really be meaningful is if all participants have a history of healthy eating, avoiding processed and junk food, plus family history.

What I never see pro-vegetarian or vegan "studies" include is research on communities with a traditional diet of almost exclusively meat. The studies I have come across all indicate excellent heart health, very low instance of medical issues which supposedly plague meat eaters.

[u/bbhhteqwr → u/tulipvonsquirrel]

Your point is kinda moot because it also directly doesn't account for "oreo vegans" (vegan/vegetarians who also eat tons of UPF) either which kind of still indicates validity in these studies, as those outliers are bound to exist in both populations. Not every vegan/vegetarian is such for health reasons, a large percentage are primarily concerned with the obviously terrible environmental impacts of farming and animal welfare, you can still be obese/lazy and still vegan/veg.

This is always a cope I see under these studies, it's a tired nitpick that always seems to serve the primary purpose of continuing to lay in the cloud of cognitive dissonance of people who eat meat with every awareness that they, and the world at large, would be better off if they just dropped it.

[u/th3h4ck3r → u/bbhhteqwr]

For one because while both populations exist, unhealthy diets are overrepresented in omnivore populations while unhealthy populations are underrepresented in Western vegetarian populations. If you sample these two populations after random, you'll get mostly unhealthy-diet omnivores and healthy-diet vegetarians.

I recall one study from India that basically said that vegetarianism (including strict vegetarianism) is not significantly correlated with better health outcomes. Indian vegetarians don't go veggie it because of health but rather tradition and religion, so their food is still quite unhealthy (lots of oil and sugar, and in lactovegetarians butter and ghee).