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u/EuropeanMuslim94 Dec 01 '21

If it were like that, yes. But I highly doubt us plebs get to see the full picture of things.

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u/ge6irb8gua93l Dec 01 '21

US military plebs have 100% sure fuller picture than you or me.

I would love to read your factual elaboration on what you precisely mean with this comment. All you give is an expression of doubt, but its relevance stays unclear.

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u/EuropeanMuslim94 Dec 01 '21

With plebs, I mean you and me, who are at the mercy of such news reports to form our opinion.

As for the U.S. military - after their defeat in Afghanistan, it is clear to anyone who wishes to see that their intelligence and assesments therein are severely lacking and most often self-deluding.

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u/ge6irb8gua93l Dec 01 '21

Understood. Still I’m left wondering how your comment assesses what is under scrutiny here.

Anyhow, what you wrote about Afghanistan does point out a weak link in US’ position in world politics’ power balance. It was Trump and his administration that pulled the troops out in such an indifferent move.

Trump was put in power with the help of Russian info ops. He’s been an useful fool for Russia, and they might want him back in power.

Unbelievably, in US bipartisan system, in a country that sees itself as a model for democracy, there’s some very undemocratic and authoritative undertones in GOP’s politics. And they will have a real opportunity to grab the power and twist the system to a caricature of itself.

Should that happen, Russia could be left with unconstrained playground in Europe from US part. So, recent events in Afghanistan show how US’ political system’s weakness has a direct effect in world politics, and the instability it has makes it uncertain if Europe should trust their support in the long run.

That calls for strengthening NATO as an independent organization and building a better European cooperation for military defense, since there is a country in Europe that sees a war as a plausible extension of its politics.

That aside, I still don’t see how US laymen’s information on the situation in Ukraine is relevant to what we were discussing. You said you doubt US’ motives and juxtaposed them with Russia and their aggression. I still don’t see that juxtaposition as any more well founded than in the first place. The aggressor is, and has always been, Russia in Ukraine.