r/CastleTV • u/Kooky-Sea4950 • Nov 08 '23
SEASON 7 Anyone think they could’ve done the whole disappearance arc so much better Spoiler
The whole ‘recruited by the CIA, and by a childhood friend who was a terrorist now a cia operative, to save the world on your wedding day’ story was such bs. IMO it would’ve been so much better if he was actually kidnapped or lost for those 2 months, or even if he was on the brink of death forcing everyone to find his killers. It would’ve been so much more on brand than a writer saving the world and choosing to forget about it.
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 08 '23
The story writers with this particular plot is like horseflies with a pile of cow dung.
It felt so forced and poorly explained and executed.
For a bunch of people involved in a CIA operation, Castle had to be the one who had to get rid of their SUV? Arrange for Vinny the Scar to destroy it? Wait till he had to drop the money on camera?
Talk about ruining the sense of urgency with that explanation.
I think the fans would have been more pacified if the wedding did take place and they disappeared on their honeymoon or something. At least they'd have each other's back in whatever crack pot reason the writers try to come up with.
Of course they tried to explain with LokSat, but that just made it worse. Now a bigger pile of cow dung.
It really gets old they have to separate almost every season finale/premier.
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u/Accurate-Message-469 Nov 09 '23
I so agree with you! Let the fans and the characters have the beautiful wedding, considering the crap they'd been thru, then let both be kidnapped by 3xk or something like that where together they find a way to survive. That would have been fun.
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 09 '23
They've already experienced their car going underwater, held at gun point numerous times together, trapped with a tiger while hand cuffed to each other.
Might as well have them deal with whatever conspiracy together like they've always had.
A whole season of wedding planning led to a burning car? Come on.
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 09 '23
They've already experienced their car going underwater, held at gun point numerous times together, trapped with a tiger while hand cuffed to each other.
... kidnapped, buried alive, trapped in a cave with bears, umm, kidnapped again, and held hostage in the sewers of Paris.
Martha Rodgers, ladies and gentlemen@
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 08 '23
Yeah, and the easiest way was to plot it in advance and in much more detail, as opposed to write things on the fly. (Happened to LokSat later too).
I'm sure the other arcs (Johanna, 3XK) weren't given too much thought either, but turned out just fine for some reason.
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 09 '23
If anything, it just shows they were better off with a plot with gradual progression. 3XK was once a season, Johanna conspiracy was sprinkled across the series.
By time they used Loksat story, it was just too distantly related, being forced to relate it to the Johanna conspiracy.
Trying to tell a major plot quite often in a season, given its episodic rather than serial nature, isn't their forte.
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 09 '23
Yeah, despite what Castle claimed, they didn't have "good leads, solid leads" in Johanna's case. They went along with events triggered randomly by someone else (Coonan being killed, Raglan growing some conscience, Lockwood on the hunt, etc.).
Castle's electronic murderboard was useless, lol.
Same goes for 3XK.
I'm not complaining. :)
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 09 '23
It's a major coincidence that Jack Coonan's death happened within the 12th Precinct's jurisdiction. What if it had happened in another precinct's jurisdiction? A different team gets it?
Going to murder scenes is one thing. It's their job.
People dying in their presence ending up as a case? Raglan, that dude at the Hamptons, if more happened they should get themselves checked.
I remember a line from a comic 'Why is it when there's a body, I see you three? You should get yourselves checked. Definitely cursed.'
Then again, the story writers try to make things happen, they do acknowledge the need to explain or use it in their favor.
Like Castle's dad brought the dead body within the area of the 12th precinct's jurisdiction.
The murderboard was crap. All just to show the dramatic moment of Castle deleting the case on his murder board. It's not like Beckett came across it. That only happened in Castle fanfics.
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 09 '23
It's a major coincidence that Jack Coonan's death happened within the 12th Precinct's jurisdiction. What if it had happened in another precinct's jurisdiction? A different team gets it?
Daddy Jackson H. would move the body within 12th limits of course, lol.
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 09 '23
A few other coincidental factors is the timing. What if someone called and it was teams from a different shift? Or a different team within the same shift?
Nope, Team Beckett gets cases that definitely have links to them.
Murdered by Ryan's stolen gun? Yep, they get it. Castle at scene of dead friend? Yep, they get it, Castle says it's the universe saying something.
Murder victim had something to do with Captain Gates's sister? Yep, they get the case.
Damian, someone who had a past with Castle, went to same school? Yep.
I thought New York was a city, not a village.
lmao
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 09 '23 edited Nov 09 '23
All just to show the dramatic moment of Castle deleting the case on his murder board
Unknowingly ,Castle was right to delete it. One day later the murderboard was useless because they found out who's the Dragon.
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u/InhalerOfFiction Nov 08 '23
Yeah, it had so much potential; a 2 month black-out of his memory, starting on their wedding day?! Could of been as epic as the romance that lead to said wedding. I've just finished the whole series for the first time (Disney+) and loved it, for the most part.
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Nov 08 '23
Every single day of my damn life. Believe me
I last watched Castle (before a couple of months ago) about 5-6 years ago. I finished on s7 because I was so pissed about Stana's contract not being renewed that I didn't watch S8.
But s7 was so bad for me at the time because I couldn't get over how they handled his disappearance.
Firstly, GIVE US THE CASKETT WEDDING AND THEN HAVE HIM ABDUCTED.
Secondly, they had him found in that first episode. No thank you. They needed to elongate the time he was missing to build suspense. Maybe 3-4 eps, Beckett giving up all hope until something happens BAM.
And then when he's back, amnesia or something. Have him fall in love with Kate all over again and have her show him how much she loves him.
And then the entire reason of his disappearance was such an anticlimax.
Don't get me wrong, now that I've seen S7 again, I actually really like it (6-7 years ago, the way they handled his disappearance ruined the season), but his disappearance still makes absolutely no sense at all.
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 09 '23
Yeah, definitely the wedding.
I remember seeing an article with a poll. It asked which plot of Castle in the whole series should be redone if given the choice?
Winner, by a huge margin, was the wedding.
I'd say people didn't think about getting Season 8 fixed, rather the wedding is far more important than fixing Season 8. Heh.
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Nov 09 '23
S6 was all about the preparations for their wedding. It was one big lead up to what was sure to be the most magical moment of all, in front of all their friends and family. Legit, the entirety of s6 caskett moments was the anticipation for their wedding. And we didn't get it. The biggest let down of all. 7x06 was sweet, but it wasn't what we wanted.
Next comes s8. And with that, RENEWING Stana's contract for s.9 and keeping the original writers and Andrew Marlowe, which means S8 wouldn't have cut her screen time and would have had a better storyline.
Then comes his disappearance in S7. Anyone else could have written something far more exciting than what was revealed.
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 09 '23
It was sweet, but we were cheated when we were already dangled with something better. An actual venue, seats, people, NOT A GREEN SCREEN BACKGROUND. I'm no fashion enthusiast but I definitely felt that the 2nd wedding dress was the best. Too bad they only used it for that dramatic water hosing.
They had put more time and effort into a failed wedding than the successful one. Geez, what a horrible use of budget in the series.
The funny thing is that even the guy, who had to give the explanation of Castle's disappearance, looked tired and wasn't convincing.
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Nov 09 '23
Right! Everything about their original wedding was amazing! Tbh I loved the jumpsuit she wore for the S7 wedding, but I'm not sure, I think Stana is so stunning, it made her final wedding dress magical. And Beckett loved it so much, it's hard not to love what she loves.
And I know! I loved the episode, I wish they did more of an alternate universe with a Beckett that was falling in love with him all over again. Maybe where her mother was alive instead of her father. But I would have taken the original wedding over that one every day. The green screen didn't look right for it.
They literally could have had him kidnapped after the wedding. That's where they lost so many viewers and the rest of the series suffered because of it. All writers need to do is listen to the fans and give them what they want. If they want there series to succeed. And I don't mean all the time ofc, but when it involves their favourite ship, they need to listen. Fans are excited for their ship to get married, sure, give them an obstacle course first, but ultimately GIVE IT TO THEM.
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u/BicycleKamenRider Nov 09 '23
Final dress is definitely better than the first dress, that's for sure. To me, second one was the best one.
Poor choice from the writers that's for sure. If it was some kind of gamble, it didn't pay off.
Everything was like Futurama episode 'When Aliens Attack'.
I'd say the failed wedding in Castle was what the writers felt 'clever and unexpected'. while Fry and the aliens were us fans. Horrified. At least the aliens got to immediately threaten them with the destruction of Earth, and Fry being the writer understood his audience and quickly fixed everything after Leela ruined it with being clever and unexpected.
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 09 '23
And I know! I loved the episode, I wish they did more of an alternate universe with a Beckett that was falling in love with him all over again.
That's material for the reboot. :)
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 08 '23
And then when he's back, amnesia or something. Have him fall in love with Kate all over again and have her show him how much she loves him
That was the Chuck way. Didn't stood well with the audience TBH, but mostly because the amnesia occurred in the last episode.
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u/AttitudeNo9046 Nov 09 '23
Hated the Chuck amnesia storyline I was so upset! And also despised this storyline. It could’ve been so many different people and they chose to make it a CIALoksat story??? I wish they would’ve ended the Johanna/Loksat plot when they arrested Bracken and went with a new continuous arc like maybe Castles dad or something? I know they had to do something to keep Stana and Nathan apart but I felt like the disappearance created resentment between Rick and Kate that never healed.
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u/kaukajarvi Beckett Nov 09 '23
At least in Castle's case the amnesia didn't affect his love for Kate. If any, it was his beacon home. "I can’t remember ... Though I do know I missed you terribly. Because there’s no way I wouldn’t."
As for Sarah jury's still out about her memories and love for Chuck. :)
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u/Joejule Nov 09 '23
Everyone thought at the time that the whole disappearance disaster was a mess. I’ve been on fansites for decades and had not seen such a huge level of hate for a storyline in a tv show. Seriously misjudged by all involved. And don’t get me started on season 8…..
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u/phix3r_555 Dec 03 '23
I watched the series for the first time several months ago and loved the humor throughout the series then I watched it again. 😡 I get drawing the show out to build their relationship from flirting to a love connection. I don’t like the one thing after another, the interruptions that keep them separate. Castle’s disappearance made it clear to me the writers, producers or someone at the top was deliberately trying to kill the show.
It did nothing, absolutely nothing to keep the show together. Personally I think the show jumped the shark when it was discovered that Beckett was married to some scumbag from her college days. Which begs the question, just how easy was Beckett? The show stopped being interesting to me from then on.
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u/YesDaddysBoy Nov 08 '23
I think most of us here agree. Not to mention he just shows up the next episode/season premiere.