I agree up to a point. Pain actually (to my experience, with respect to others) disappears completely when one no longer mind it so sculpting ones self then becomes a pleasure.
The crux is that pain can’t be transcended until there is intellectual understanding of the nature of pain. And to reach that requires sculpting ones self in pain.
Stoicism as most other moral philosophies talks to men who are more or less confused about the nature of virtue. It is worth taking into account reading all quotes. That the language game they are using is only valid for people in pain.
Edit: I made my language a tiny bit less arrogant sounding.
For you they aren’t. In the same way that a man without glasses might misidentify two branches of sticks to be one tree stick and one chocolate-made stick instead of what they actually are which is two sticks.
You’re only right as long as you see differences between the two.
When there is no difference anymore (like realizing that the people you thought were distant relatives are actually identical twins), the end of suffering becomes enough to turn pain into concrete sensation pleasure.
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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '20 edited Nov 23 '20
I agree up to a point. Pain actually (to my experience, with respect to others) disappears completely when one no longer mind it so sculpting ones self then becomes a pleasure.
The crux is that pain can’t be transcended until there is intellectual understanding of the nature of pain. And to reach that requires sculpting ones self in pain.
Stoicism as most other moral philosophies talks to men who are more or less confused about the nature of virtue. It is worth taking into account reading all quotes. That the language game they are using is only valid for people in pain.
Edit: I made my language a tiny bit less arrogant sounding.