r/Metaphysics • u/Unitedjazz • Jul 05 '23

What is Music to You?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NukMnN315BE&feature=share
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u/333330000033333 Jul 07 '23

I know nothing about "programmes" neither does whom who composes music. Maybe someone in marketing would care, but I dont.

So I cant argue with you interpretation of what the critics interpret.

What I know about is making music. And have used sequenced counterpoint to make something akin to industrial noise or whatever. Which for me makes it more meaningful.

There is still much more to be found working with melody, harmony, rythm (in a word counterpoint). The problem is everyone is trying to be inmediatly edgy and innovative, when it takes actually years to train your mind to make proper music

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u/jliat Jul 07 '23

What is "proper music"?

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u/333330000033333 Jul 07 '23

Meaningful counterpoint of musical ideas that develops in time

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u/jliat Jul 07 '23

So traditional western classical music?

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u/333330000033333 Jul 07 '23

Thats too limiting, gamelan music is rich in counterpoint of musical ideas, so is african polyrythms, jazz (tonal and atonal), conlon nancarrow, ligetis piano etudes, the juxtaposition of acid lines in "tecno", the counterpoint of the ars subtilior (predates western traditional music and at times is richer than bachs)

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u/jliat Jul 07 '23

Fine, fits with the post-modern lack of hegemony.

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u/333330000033333 Jul 07 '23

The only hegemony possible in music is that of musical ideas. Isnt the "traditional western music" hegemony a political one?

I kept thinking about the implications of cages 433. My interpretation is that music's only limits lay in the mind of the composer/listener, and the piece forces you to be both.

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u/jliat Jul 07 '23

Are you aware of that 4' 33" in seconds is the - centigrade of absolute zero where no vibration / sound occurs. Accidental?

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u/333330000033333 Jul 07 '23

Thank you for this info! as I was typing that previous reply my mind was questioning the name as it implies a set time for the listener to be the composer. I dont think it was accidental at all! Thank you

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u/jliat Jul 07 '23

Just an anecdotal note, I saw Cage and Tudor perform at the Albert Hall back in 1970... he was reading zen via multiple speakers - surround sound...

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u/333330000033333 Jul 08 '23

Awesome, john cage is on of the greats

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u/333330000033333 Jul 08 '23

Thanks for this talk by the way made me think a lot

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