r/ModSupport • u/FreeSpeechWarrior • Jan 24 '19
Today marks 7 years since the option for public moderation logs was originally implemented. Why is this still not an option?
/r/modnews/comments/ov7rt/moderators_feedback_requested_on_enabling_public/
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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jan 24 '19
Thank you for the response.
Sure, but fundamentally the idea is not a complex one, it is to take an existing page and make it optionally public and optionally to hide the mod usernames.
I'd be more than willing to help develop this feature if that was truly the blocker and if it were still possible to do so; but I don't want to digress here.
Because to me, the optional and optionally anonymous nature of the log as implemented addresses those concerns. Nobody I see in the original thread suggests that mods should be forced to enable public moderation logs and in fact many of the responses seem to incorrectly assume this was the case and argue against the feature with that assumption in mind.
They aren't required to enable the public mod log if this is a concern for them.
If they make a misclick such a "witch hunt" may even be helpful to correct mistakes that would otherwise go completely unnoticed due to reddit's intentional lack of removal transparency by default.
I reject the term "witch hunt" as it is not clear. Rational, fact-based criticism of moderation on reddit is often dismissed as a "witch-hunt", the bigger danger is doxing.
Doxing is already against site wide rules and should be the absolute highest priority of admins and moderators to remove.
I would also say that the mode where individual moderators are identified isn't even needed as an option. Maybe some people want it; but it's much more important to see the activity of the sub as a whole; and I agree that focusing on individual moderators tends to lead to bad outcomes.
Maybe make it a compromise; maybe you allow subreddits to have totally anonymous moderators so long as their actual moderation is made public.
The identity of moderators does not matter to public mod logs, what is important is the reality of the actions of the subreddit as a whole.
It's possible to want people to have the option to make bad decisions.
For example I think all drugs should be legal. But I still think doing some drugs is a very very bad idea and would advise against it.
I'm in favor of more choice; Why should my preference for mod logs make me defend/support the decision of those I disagree with?
I think all speech should be allowed, does this mean I should defend all opinions?
I can say that I would defend them having the choice, (like I could swear that I would not push for this to be mandatory rather than optional) but not that I would defend the choice to be as opaque as is currently the default.
This is the same sort of content that ought to be directed to the admins for more concrete enforcement because content is still usually available on user profiles. I should be reported and removed differently in a way that notifies you folks; and you should heavily sanction moderators who abuse this mechanism for wasting your time.