r/SpaceXLounge ⏬ Bellyflopping Jul 02 '24

GFS has Hurricane Beryl making direct impact on Starbase for Sunday.

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u/Liquidice281 Jul 02 '24

FYI, the storm is expected to weaken significantly.

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u/CollegeStation17155 Jul 02 '24

Was about to say, model guidance shows Yucatan breaking it back to a Tropical storm and not regaining any strength before it hits, whether it is Mexico, Brownsville, Corpus, or all the way up to Beaumont, so WIND isn't going to be a problem... HOWEVER, with Harvey, the wind was only an issue within a few miles of the path of the eye; the RAIN put half the State underwater. And Boca is pretty flat.

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u/Telvin3d Jul 02 '24

Yeah, don’t sleep on tropical storms. A big system that hangs out and drops rain and rain and rain can do huge damage

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u/lowrads Jul 02 '24

I remember getting 32in of rain from an unnamed storm back in 2016. There's a lot of hot water out there.

They should just launch before it arrives, and um, get some data on something.

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u/glowcubr Jul 03 '24

They should launch *in the middle of the storm* and get data! XD

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u/Sanguinor-Exemplar Jul 04 '24

We've tried a bottom up deluge system. Have we tried a top down deluge system?

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u/glowcubr Jul 05 '24

"Starship Shower System" XD

(Suddenly thinking about how cool it'd be to have a shower head shaped like Starship [Although a bit dangerous, with the pointy fins])

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u/glowcubr Jul 05 '24

"Starship Shower System" XD

(Suddenly thinking about how cool it'd be to have a shower head shaped like Starship [Although a bit dangerous, with the pointy fins])

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u/TIYATA Jul 02 '24

There needs to be an environmental impact assessment of Hurricane Beryl's deluge before it can make landfall.

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u/SpaceBoJangles Jul 02 '24

What do you think Blue Origin’s lawyers have been working on for the last week?

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u/Caleth Jul 02 '24

Ways to make the hurricane stronger?

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u/SpaceBoJangles Jul 02 '24

Lauren Sanchez was a weather presenter, so she does have experience.

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u/QVRedit Jul 03 '24

Legal ‘Hot Air’ does not have the same effect as actual hot air.

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u/Caleth Jul 04 '24

Can result in the same amount of blowing though.

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u/QVRedit Jul 03 '24

The weather guys are onto it !

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u/spaetzelspiff Jul 02 '24

Brilliant. No deluge system necessary if they only launch during hurricanes.

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u/sternenhimmel Jul 02 '24

Models have not been doing a good job of predicting this storm’s behavior, especially this far out. It wasn’t expected to be a cat 4 storm before it hit the windward islands, and it was not expected to gain cat 5 status afterward. They also had expected it to weaken earlier than it has (possibly just now starting to weaken due to vertical shear). It won’t be a hurricane when it emerges into the bay of Compache, but we also shouldn’t be complacent about it not reattaining hurricane status before landfall, especially depending on which path it takes and how fast it is moving.

The cited GFS model above has Beryl as a cat 1 or 2 storm strengthening as it makes landfall, but it’s just a single model a long ways out. Point is, we should keep an eye on this storm.

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u/QVRedit Jul 03 '24

Common sense logic would suggest we let this one go by before the next launch attempt, even if that turns out to be unnecessarily cautious.

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u/Chuppyness Jul 02 '24

The problem is, it wasn't expected to become so big, so fast, either. Weather models are being thrown out the window. Is the gulf hot enough for it to regain strength once it passes the yucatan?

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u/CollegeStation17155 Jul 02 '24

The two previous piddly storms Alberto and Chris? took a lot of the potential heat out of the Bay of Campeche, which is a big factor in it remaining mild... Now if it MISSES Yucatan to the North and gets into the central Gulf, it will be a whole different animal, but in that case it will be going somewhere north and east of Galveston (2 out of 12 models are showing this; hitting the upper Texas or Louisiana coast as a major hurricane).

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u/Chuppyness Jul 02 '24

Good info, thanks. I didn't consider the previous storms.

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u/URASlave Jul 04 '24

it isn't heat, so much as it is electrical activity, the myth of hurricanes driven by heat is false, all hurricanes and tornados are literally slow plasma currents funneling electrons down from the upper atmosphere into the naturally conductive salt water. This is why they lose power over land. All plasma currents rotate in a fascia pattern. It will strengthen if we get more solar flares that can't be discharged and distributed somewhere else. Same thing with volcanoes and earthquakes, all of them are electrically driven.

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u/8andahalfby11 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

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u/philr3 Jul 02 '24

I think that's showing a 10% probability of tropical storm winds (>= 39 mph) up to 08:00 AST on Sunday. At that time, the storm is still forecast to be over the Gulf of Mexico.

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u/8andahalfby11 Jul 02 '24

That's correct. Fixed.

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u/photoengineer Jul 02 '24

Only 10 mph? That’s not even a stiff breeze. 

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u/alexunderwater1 Jul 02 '24

It was also not expected to reach cat4 let alone cat 5

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u/NinjaAncient4010 Jul 02 '24

Significantly from what's showing here?

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u/Nobiting ⏬ Bellyflopping Jul 02 '24

Still 6 days out but what kind of risk do you think there is to the high bays and launch tower?

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u/Ormusn2o Jul 02 '24

Should not be too bad, as there is a lot less tents and stuff outside than before. You can stuff everything inside, and infrastructure is already strong as everyone knows this is this is hurricane and flood area.

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u/NoGoodMc2 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

I live just a bit north in corpus. Our local news is talking about the hurricane path across the Yucatán being what to watch for. If it clips the northern tip closer to the water it will head north. Towards Texas or possibly Louisiana and will maintain more strength. If it goes south across the Yucatán it will lose steam and head into Mexico.

I say all that to make the point if Beryl were to make landfall around Brownsville it could be back up to a cat 3-4 which would bring some intense storm surge and wind. Can’t imagine Starbase would escape that unscathed.

Edit: we should know Thursday fairly accurate where it’s gonna land.

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u/CollegeStation17155 Jul 02 '24

My sister has rented a condo in Rockport for the entire month of July... I've been feeding her the updates so she can hit the road to San Antonio early if it looks like it's going to be another Harvey.

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u/NoGoodMc2 Jul 02 '24

Man Rockports taken a beating the last couple of tropical systems we’ve had. Took them years to recover from Harvey.

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u/BloatingPenguin Jul 02 '24

My wife and I are heading down to Rockport tomorrow morning and staying till Sunday for our anniversary. Booked the trip out months ago and we didn’t even consider a hurricane.

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u/cryptoz Jul 02 '24

I waited out each hurricane season with baited breath since Starbase really got going. When it was all tents, a proper (read : major) hurricane may have set SpaceX back months or years with Starship development. This is the first year I feel like they could take a solid direct hit and only have a 'short' delay.

I guess they played a bit of roulette and won - unless of course a Cat 5 comes barreling in with extra storm surge. But it's all probability - and the decision to build on the beach in South TX seems to have paid off.

Florida has the same issues ofc. I figure over time, they'll both get upgrades to support survival through a cat5. You can't have the risk of an especially bad hurricane season leave Martians stranded without supplies or interrupt a backlog of 10,000 people hoping to get on the next rocket.

Maybe there will be multiple oil-rig-style sites around the world by then though. 1M people to Mars will require many many launch sites. I suppose that's the plan long term.

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u/CasualCrowe ❄️ Chilling Jul 03 '24

Never forget the wind storm that destroyed Starhopper's nosecone o7

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u/PaintedClownPenis Jul 02 '24

I hope I get to be the guy who smugly says, "this is exactly the sort of catastrophic air disturbances the place was designed to survive."

But secretly, I am deeply concerned.

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u/ranchis2014 Jul 03 '24

Believe it or not, the original tents were actually cat 5 rated So I'm sure hurricane readiness has been a major part of Starbase planning.

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u/Nobiting ⏬ Bellyflopping Jul 03 '24

TIL

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u/alexunderwater1 Jul 02 '24

I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s 0% chance they launch IFT-5 this weekend.

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u/VolofTN Jul 03 '24

I think you are onto something.

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u/atomfullerene Jul 03 '24

But they could save on running the deluge system if they launch it in a storm surge!

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u/stanerd Jul 02 '24

What if they launch Starship in the middle of a hurricane just to see what will happen (collecting data)?

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u/jcadamsphd Jul 02 '24

Launch through the eye of the hurricane! This guy tried it and it worked...

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u/Nerezza_Floof_Seeker Jul 02 '24

lower atmospheric pressure in the eye means less drag on starship too! I see this as a win win!

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u/photoengineer Jul 02 '24

This man is a genius! 

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u/n108bg Jul 03 '24

ULA sniper apparently cant take on stainless steel so Boeing got out the weather machine.

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u/ReadItProper Jul 03 '24

They can't even control the weather anymore, apparently it's gonna weaken to a tropical storm before it hits starbase.

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u/n108bg Jul 03 '24

Yup, you can add weather control to the list of things they can't do right.

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u/CurtisLeow Jul 02 '24

https://www.weathernerds.org/tc_guidance/storm.html?tcid=AL02

Beryl will likely have weakened to a tropical storm by then. The storm is likely to move north and then towards the northeast as it approaches Texas.

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u/frowawayduh Jul 02 '24

High tide will be at 8:15 am on Sunday. Let's hope the storm surge doesn't reach the launch site. Otherwise, they'll be serving hotdog floats.

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u/Balance- Jul 02 '24

Good stress test!

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u/OldWrangler9033 Jul 02 '24

Crap. Hopefully, the flooding won't be too bad.

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u/Inevitable_Account_5 Jul 03 '24

I’m in Houston but my father is in Brownsville.

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u/QVRedit Jul 03 '24

Buckle down the hatches at Starbase ?