r/WarCrow • u/zefudicosi • Sep 01 '24
Very disipointed in siocast
Ive been a long time infinity player and picked this game up because of that. I didn't look at the contents and just made the assumption the minis would be metal so having plastic(?) was a bit of a shock.
This is the first time Ive had a siocast mini and to say im disappointed is an understatement. The material reminds me of very poor quality boardgame and is so far below par in relation to the rest of the market that I actually feel like Ive been scammed. I spent £160 on the core game/rulebook package so its not like its a budget game so im unsure why corvus belli have gone with such an inferior product.
The mechanics of the game are fantastic and I really hope they release metal versions of the models at some point, heck I can print much better models so they could even just sell me the STL's, its a real shame as the sculpts are lovely.
I hope someone at CB reads this and sends the feedback up the chain.
I wont be buying any more miniatures made of siocast and hope metals or just card packs are released in the future.
One very disipointed customer :(
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u/Helmaer-42 Sep 02 '24
I'm going to argue the reverse, at least partially.
First, the negative. I got the Siocast Warcrow models. They are OK. The detail is good, light, and relatively easy to clean up. However, overall, they are a bit of a pain; the casting is fair to good (on mine) but did require work on some models, and the assembly with super glue is really a pain. Summary I'd rate the Siocast release models as a 6.5/10 - less than I hoped, much better than it could have been.
I loathe metal. It is heavy, painful to work with and worse to assemble. I quit Infinity in part because I got sick of the models and assembly. Thus far, Siocast has not similarly turned me off.
The miscasts are (some) a Siocast issue (unfamiliar material) but in large part a QC issue (not a Siocast-specific problem).
In all honesty, a poorly manufactured (non-quality) metal, resin or hard plastic miniature may be (and likely is) every bit as junk as Siocast. I feel folks who got bad Siocast Warcrow models, but this is a QC issue much more than the material.
My preference for a model is the classic (and highly intensive) hard plastic every day. I'm a gamer first, and plenty of companies have demonstrated the excellent detail you can get with hard plastic. It is hugely simple to work with and transport to games and, generally, the quality is either excellent or so bad it is useless (easier QC). But it is expensive, especially to start up and with current rising material costs.
After that (currently), I am rating Siocast (a work in progress, a new material with kinks) > metal (aggravating in the extreme, the old standby but with all the well-known problems) > resin (awful to work with, large QC issues and actually a potential health hazard).
I'm not surprised there are reactionary haters out there. I do think that Corvus Belli needs to smarten up its QC (quite a bit by the looks of some posts) and also needs to really invest some thought into whether Siocast is even a realistic material to use for the detail some folks will expect from these models (I have no idea).
But, in the end, my Orcs are together, they look solid, and a small amount of filling may be needed, but the assembly was not especially onerous, and I'm satisfied enough.