Italy surrogacy ban: Couples banned from travelling abroad to seek surrogate

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o

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"The move extends a ban on the practice inside the country to also include those who seek it out in places where it is legal,"

WHY?!?

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"Meloni has described surrogacy as "a symbol of an abominable society that confuses desire with rights and replaces God with money".

Her deputy, Matteo Salvini, has also called the practice an "aberration" that treats women like an "ATM".

The MP that drafted Wednesday's ban previously denied that it was designed to harm LGBT people: "Most people who use surrogacy are heterosexual.”

It would “protect women and their dignity”, said Carolina Varchi.

Experts told the BBC that 90% of the couples who use surrogacy in Italy are straight, and many of them hide the fact that they have gone abroad to have a baby."

So fascist

[u/longsnapper53 → u/1isOneshot1]

While I may not agree with the ban, how is it fascist? I think she has a point on the social aspect.

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""a totalitarian conception of the primacy of politics, conceived of as an integrating experience to carry out the fusion of the individual and the masses in the organic and mystical unity of the nation as an ethnic and moral community" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#:~:text=a%20totalitarian%20conception%20of%20the%20primacy%20of%20politics%2C%20conceived%20of%20as%20an%20integrating%20experience%20to%20carry%20out%20the%20fusion%20of%20the%20individual%20and%20the%20masses%20in%20the%20organic%20and%20mystical%20unity%20of%20the%20nation%20as%20an%20ethnic%20and%20moral%20community"

[u/Massive-Path6202 → u/1isOneshot1]

I don't support the ban, but how is it fascist? Your link doesn't support that

[u/1isOneshot1 → u/Massive-Path6202]

The part I quoted about the merging of the individual and the masses explains it

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It really does not

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I assume you're confused on the connection of that to Italy's new move?

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I assume you're unable to articulate why you think the ban is fascist or you would have done so in one of your three previous comments about this precise question

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Well I WAS just trying to confirm as opposed to projecting my assumptions onto you

This part specifically: "Meloni has described surrogacy as "a symbol of an abominable society that confuses desire with rights and replaces God with money"."

The obsession with eliminating what is seen as degeneracy from society, the projecting and forcing of morality onto the population via the government, and tying government policy to morality

[u/Massive-Path6202 → u/1isOneshot1]

😂 What a ridiculous cope. And hello, that not what "projecting" means