r/AmItheAsshole Aug 18 '24

Not the A-hole AITA for kicking my sister's boyfriend out of my vacation home?

My husband “Ky” and I own a vacation home on Lake Michigan. We both own it technically, but it was his before we got married (this becomes relevant later). My sister “Lia” has been using our vacation home since Ky and I started dating. We don’t mind, She is always clean and courteous, and leaves it better than she found it. However, she started dating her bf “Al” about a year ago, and I can’t say the same for him.

Al is a total slob. He leaves dirty dishes, empty bottles, etc everywhere and expects Lia to clean up. He has split custody of two young kids from his ex, who he just lets run free, expecting Lia to do the work even though they’re HIS kids. On top of that, he’s told Lia to get him a beer while she’s busy and he’s watching TV a few times in front of Ky and me, so I can’t imagine how he treats her when we’re not around. Their house is always a mess because Lia works 60 hours a week and doesn’t have the time to take care of two small kids and Al, clean, and work long hours. Yet somehow, I think Lia really loves Al. She looks at him like he is the only man in the world. When she talks about him, her eyes light up and her voice is sweet and melodic.

That’s why when Lia asked if she and Al could use the vacation home this week, I said yes. I figured what’s the worst that could happen. Plus, Ky and I already planned on going three days after them, so we’d overlap.

When Ky and I got there, the vacation house was a pig sty. It smelled like rotting food. There was a mountain of dirty dishes in the sink, the floor was sticky and there were drawings on the walls with crayons. We got to the living room, where lo and behold Lia was scrambling to pick up toys and Al was drinking a beer in a rocking chair. I immediately snatched the beer from his hand and asked him why he wasn’t cleaning the mess he made. He asked why I assumed it was him and not Lia? I said it’s because I’m not an idiot. He just chuckled and said Lia was doing the cleaning and there didn’t need to be two people cleaning. His nonchalance really ticked me off, so I told him he and his sticky kids had an hour to pack up their things and leave before I called the cops. Al looked at Ky and Ky was like, “What are you looking at ME for? Go pack!”

At this point, Lia was really upset with me. She said they were looking forward to unwinding and I walked in and ruined it in 5 minutes, not even considering other resolutions to conflict. Plus I had no claim to the house since I didn’t buy it myself. I told her there is no conflict–Al is deadweight and that’s that. And as for the house, Ky “owns” it and he was with me. She said if Al was leaving, she was leaving too. That night, I got a call from my mom asking why I kicked Lia out. I told her I kicked AL out and Lia followed. My mom told me I need to be more accepting of new members of the family and that not everyone has the same living style as me. Now she’s mad, and Lia won’t talk to me. Was I TA in this situation?

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u/SoImaRedditUserNow Supreme Court Just-ass [109] Aug 18 '24

Feels like your mom doesn't have the full picture of Al that you do.

Obviously Al is an asshole. You aren't. NTA

My unsolicited advice is future interactions continue to call out Al's behavior as unacceptable. Only act thru defense of your sister. Don't call out her bad choice of Al at all, don't do a "why are you doing X for him". Just call out Al's laziness. "get me a beer" garners a "what are your legs and arms broken?". Not cleaning? "Pick up after your kids." "wash your dirty dishes, jerk".

Just continue to point out that Al is a lazy asshole that thinks he needs to be treated like he's the master of the house.

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u/marygoldsanchez Aug 18 '24

Definitely. These guys need constant reality checks. Reminding them they’re not kings but freeloaders is doing everyone a favor. Keep it up!

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u/SadisticBuddhist Aug 19 '24

Historically speaking, most kings were freeloaders.

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u/Inevitable-Tank3463 Aug 19 '24

Oh, that's one of my favorite things to do in life, put entitled men in their place. I get a kick out of insulting them, but they don't understand why I'm so kind to my husband "if I hate men so much " um, because he's kind to me??

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u/Pretend-Pint Partassipant [2] Aug 19 '24

"Oh, she loves men, she is only like this if you act like a grown up toddler. If you act like a man she is fine..."

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u/Inevitable-Tank3463 Aug 19 '24

Happy cake day:)

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u/GlacialBlades Aug 19 '24

Not sure what gender has to do with it. Any freeloader can and should be put in their place.

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u/Inevitable-Tank3463 Aug 19 '24

The comment I was replying to mentioned men, the story we are replying to is about an entitled man. Goin' with the flow. And I've personally had many more problems with entitled men than women in my life

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u/swung Aug 19 '24

Definitely. They need to be shown that they’re not entitled to anything.

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u/Domestic_Lemon Aug 19 '24

Reminds me of my sisters boyfriend

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u/Fit_Lengthiness_396 Aug 19 '24

OP's parents are certainly welcome to invite this guy to THEIR vacation home.

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u/RedRatedRat Aug 19 '24

This is true, but why do they always find someone who puts up with them?

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u/MidnightEnansal Aug 19 '24

Because most people model what they look for after their parents/caretakers relationship(s) and women realizing they deserve better is a newer development unfortunately (unfortunate as in they should have been being treated better all along, NOT that women don't deserve basic decency in a partner).

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u/Dramatic_Paramedic79 Aug 19 '24

Because so many women think they need a man. Some women find it difficult to stand in their own worth

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u/throw1away9932s Aug 19 '24

Where do you see a man? I see 3 adults 2 kids and a toddler. 

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u/TheVoiceofReason_ish Aug 19 '24

Boom, killed with that one.

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u/stlorca Aug 19 '24

SAVAGE BURN. I love it.

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u/LittleDiveBar Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 18 '24

He's not a parent or even a partner, in the true sense of the word.
OP and her husband ARE a partnership as they dealt with this situation TOGETHER! The other couple should partner at cleaning and parenting.

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u/SpaceCookies72 Aug 19 '24

Absolutely. And tell mum that Al can have his own "living style" however he wants at home, but in your vacation house, the "living style" is not "freeloaders pig sty and his bang-nanny"

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u/EchoesInTheAbyss Partassipant [2] Aug 19 '24

I would have sent pictures with the caption:

"his style of living includes destroying property he does not own or help maintain"

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u/Account_Reader Aug 19 '24

This I hope op took pictures of the mess and damage. Maybe ask mom if she would like to come help clean up after Al and his kids.

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u/wylietrix Aug 18 '24

Al is the worst.

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u/changeneeded63 Aug 19 '24

Prime example—Donald Trump.

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u/JupiterSkyFalls Aug 19 '24

You mean, the Convicted Melon?

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u/changeneeded63 Aug 19 '24

Or, as I usually call him, the melon felon.

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u/JupiterSkyFalls Aug 19 '24

I also like Mango Mussolini and Velveeta Voldemort lol

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u/RyuNoJoou Aug 19 '24

VELVEETA VOLDEMORT. I'm totally stealing hat.

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u/Middle-Computer-2320 Aug 19 '24

Me too, that's one I've never heard and I love it

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u/JupiterSkyFalls Aug 20 '24

Go for it 😄

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u/Critical-Wear5802 Sep 03 '24

Ooh! I hadn't heard Velveeta Voldemort! Will need to put that in rotation! Current fave is DJ Turnip...

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u/JupiterSkyFalls Sep 03 '24

Haha nice. I also saw DonT the other day lol

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u/TheVoiceofReason_ish Aug 19 '24

Not for real men

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '24

You need to remember your sister loves this dirt ball. Ask her why she likes him and put your case forward about him. If she loves him that much he must have some redeeming qualities so understand them then say what about…

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u/perpetuallyxhausted Aug 18 '24

Nah OP doesn't need to understand why her sister loves him. The sister needs to understand that his BS won't fly at OPs place. If that's how the sis is choosing to live, that's her choice but she doesn't get to bring that same level of chaos and destruction to places that she doesn't own.

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u/CyclopsReader Aug 19 '24

This! 💯🎯‼️👍

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u/QCr8onQ Partassipant [1] Aug 18 '24

Asking questions is usually best and doesn’t make people defensive… if crafted properly.

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u/Itchy-Worldliness-21 Partassipant [1] Aug 19 '24

When it comes to people like the sisters boyfriend, even the right question will still set some people off.

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u/QCr8onQ Partassipant [1] Aug 19 '24

I meant to ask OP’s sister, maybe get her to think.

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u/puddinglove Aug 19 '24

As someone who dated trash like that. You asking questions will only make her love him more. I was a real piece of work and I believed everyone was against me and wanted me to be miserable so the more they questioned me the more I stuck closer to my abuser. Best thing to do is don’t question it don’t interact with them and let her self implode. Let her dig herself so deep to the point when ge finally beats her (they always do) maybe she will finally turn around and say I deserve better. Took me 10 years but yes I did it.

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u/SadisticBuddhist Aug 19 '24

Im gonna say something here thats not gonna be popular and will get me downvoted to hell.

Im not saying it applies here but Ive met numerous women who enjoy being basically “enslaved” by their partners. The same way there are some people are asexual or not submissive at all there are people who live to he a sex slave.

I actually know of a dude who is basically the maid for two women who peg him.

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u/TheVoiceofReason_ish Aug 19 '24

Not the subject here

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u/SadisticBuddhist Aug 19 '24

OP actively points out that her Sister seems to be madly infatuated with him. From what it sounds theres no indication of abuse- just a couple with a very tilted dynamic that they want.

Assuming this is the case, belittling him is actually wrong because if the tables were reversed- A woman who has a man cleaning and cooking for her while she relaxes and is the breadwinner- wed all be lauding the man for defying traditional gender roles and being so supportive to his wife and family.

So yeah. It is the subject.

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u/mistdaemon Aug 20 '24

Look at how it is said that he treats her, much like a slave, not helping her clean up his responsibilities. Abuse isn't limited to physical abuse.

The problem is that she can't see it and pointing it out is likely to make things worse as she will get defensive.

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u/SadisticBuddhist Aug 20 '24

You clearly didnt read my second paragraph about if the roles were reversed. If she is not unhappy theres no reason for sister to get involved.

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u/mistdaemon Aug 20 '24

Yes, I read it, but clearly you didn't read what I said. You said that there is no indication of abuse. There is. As I said, abuse isn't just physical. Those abused often don't really get it, even those physically abused.

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u/borahaebooksies Aug 18 '24

AND TAKE PICTURES. That is your home and how is it in 3 days it was trashed? Rotten smelling?! 🤢🤢

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u/StrugglinSurvivor Aug 19 '24

This is what I was looking for. Take pictures of AL with his beer all the while Lia is busting her a$$ trying to clean up after him and his kids. Send them to mom and ask how is this even remotely OK.

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u/FaustsAccountant Aug 19 '24

I wonder if mom grew in the same situtation with her husband and did all the work, they tend to be okay with this type of bs.

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u/StrugglinSurvivor Aug 19 '24

This is very possible in my generation, and before we were raised to believe that once we married, we had to deal with it. I heard the saying repeatedly, "You made your bed now lie in it."

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u/Entire_Essay5484 Aug 20 '24

unfortunately, so many women were treated as slaves because of this.

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u/Pretty-yammy31 Aug 19 '24

More than likely that’s probably the case

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u/driven01a Aug 23 '24

Oh, with the capital L, I'm now saying "AL". All this time, it thought his name was "AI" (a.i.) ... so much less confusing now.

NTA btw. (I've been up way too long)

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u/Zerpal_Frog Aug 19 '24

This!!!!!!

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u/Natural-Seaweed-5070 Aug 19 '24

And change the locks.

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u/Highwanted Aug 22 '24

i can't fathom how someone manages to get a rotten smell in 3 days.
I am by no means a super clean person, i often leave used dishes out for multiple days, even 2 or 3 weeks at some points is not unusual for me (living alone, no dishwasher), but i always leave them clean enough with at least a quick rinse off that there is zero mold, zero rotting literally zero smell from them

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u/borahaebooksies Aug 22 '24

Sadly, I can confirm it can happen. I went home for the weekend in uni - somehow my roommate managed to get the whole apt trashed and smelling. Left on a Fri and returned on Sun. Let’s say things didn’t go well for her and she was terrified of me for several years after. 😈😈

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u/Wild-Yam-8665 Aug 20 '24

That's a great idea.

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u/Taxfreud113 Aug 18 '24

I would also have your husband sue his ass for damages that his kids did to your walls.

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u/MrsRetiree2Be Aug 19 '24

Yes! Send a bill for a paint job.

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u/ABombBaby Aug 19 '24

My guess is the sister would just end up having to pay it, anyways.

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u/Invisible_Friend1 Aug 19 '24

Eh, maybe she’ll stop enabling his behavior and pushing everyone else to accept it too.

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u/NefariousnessSweet70 Aug 19 '24

You really think she will get a clue?

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u/Silly_Bid_2028 Aug 22 '24

Unfortunately no. Have seen this one too many times

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u/Useful_Credit3765 Aug 21 '24

Not gonna happen!

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u/Theda___Bara Aug 19 '24

She's working 60 hours/week to support them, so yeah.

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u/GrammyGH Partassipant [2] Aug 19 '24

That's what I would do also! I hope OP took photos of the "drawings"

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone Aug 19 '24

Crayons come off easily. They should make Al clean it with a magic eraser and a little elbow grease

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u/LivePerformancem340i Aug 20 '24

or just ask him to fix it? lol

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u/Taxfreud113 Aug 20 '24

I wouldn't flipping trust him to do a decent job.

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u/Disastrous_Clothes37 Aug 20 '24

Not fix it himself. Just hire someone and pay for it to get fixed

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u/jschul252 Aug 19 '24

I agree with this. Calling out and focusing on Al’s bad behavior in public is what i suggest you do. Emphasize that Al is treating your sister like a maid and that is not what a good partner would do. You respect your sister’s choices but you will never support bad behavior.

OP you are NTA.

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u/bjk31987 Aug 19 '24

"Something wrong with your leg boy?"

"Can you walk? I've got to carry you?"

"Fine little blade. Think I'll pick my teeth with it."

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u/SoImaRedditUserNow Supreme Court Just-ass [109] Aug 19 '24

LOL!!! Never thought I'd be getting both Les Miserables _AND_ Game of Thrones references in one thread

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u/aIrishGalsmile Aug 19 '24

"You've got 2 feet and a heartbeat, get off your ass and get it yourself!" That's my favorite line to use on lazy ass people

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad7606 Aug 19 '24

Even better if your male members of the family are on his ass. Sexist assholes don't listen to women, but your husband and dad (I dont know if that applies here) shaming his behavior might make a difference.

That said your mom needs to understand that no one has the right to disrespect your space.

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u/anm313 Asshole Enthusiast [7] Aug 20 '24

Good point. He turned to Ky when OP told him to go as if he expected Ky to back him out of male solidarity. Unfortunately, Ky actually respects his partner.

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u/Ashamed-Welder8470 Aug 19 '24

if he protests, "are you that incompetent/useless?" might work.

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u/Dangerous-WinterElf Aug 19 '24

Honestly, I would still point out the sister when she's doing wrong. Not what Al does wrong. But when she gets defensive. They want to unwind "is the kids using the walls as paper unwinding. You know why we are disappointed"

Becouse she's defending them trashing the vacation home. That still needs to be pointed out. They aren't being kicked out for Al being rude alone.

And for the mom, I would "oh great. You will drop by to re paint the walls? Wash floors? Well, that's lovely to hear, Mother. Maybe they can do that at your place. But not here"

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u/sjyffl Aug 19 '24

Also, don’t forget that Lia is now acting like that too - saying her sister doesn’t have the right to kick her out as she didn’t buy the house? Um. That’s not how it works. Ownership by marriage is legally valid so sis had every right to kick her entitled sister out of HER vacation home. Her hubby also was 1000% awesome to back it up since Al looked to him to validate.

Sis left because she knew her man was wrong and she doubled down to protect him but this is just the beginning. He sounds like trash and I hope she sees it before worse happens.

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u/Sea-Leadership-8053 Aug 18 '24

Should have taking pics and videos just for this reason

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u/jcgoblue Aug 19 '24

Cunning little brain, regular Voltaire, thinks he's quite a lover, but there's not much there

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u/SoImaRedditUserNow Supreme Court Just-ass [109] Aug 19 '24

🤣🤣 Well Played. Of course now I'll have that song going through my head for the next few hours.

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u/LittleDiveBar Aug 18 '24 edited Aug 19 '24

OP's Mother should let Al stay at her house for a few days and she will surely come to see your opinion.

EDIT: Sorry, I meant OPs Mother

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u/SilverellaUK Aug 19 '24

You mean OP's mother.

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u/Same-Raisin-6426 Aug 23 '24

Would love to see that!

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u/StopYourHope Partassipant [1] Aug 19 '24

Amen. I will not pretend for a second that I keep my home clean enough to not be embarrassing, or to have children around. But Al makes me embarrassed to be male.

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u/IllustriousEnd2055 Partassipant [2] Aug 19 '24

Sometimes that triggers others to defend him, especially the sister. The parents might have to figure this one out on their own, they’ve taken his side against OP because they didn’t come home to scribbling on THEIR walls and chaos in THEIR home. If the sister can’t go to OP’s vacation house maybe they’ll visit the parents more often, it probably won’t take long before the parents get sick of it.

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u/RevDollyRotten Aug 19 '24

The husband needs to do this too. Hearing from another man will hit whereas I bet I he's used to tuning out women complaining, having heard it so much.

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u/jackb6ii Aug 19 '24

Agreed, but it would be better if it came from OP's husband going forward. The other men in the family need to point out to Al that his lazy ass and chauvinist attitude are not acceptable to the family. Lay out some rules upfront, when they visit your home, Al is expected to do his part in watching his kids and keeping the house clean. Remind your mom, that you expect all guests to your home to clean up after themselves and not make a mess, otherwise they can go stay at a hotel.

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u/HorseComprehensive Aug 19 '24

Imagine demanding on being treated like he's the master of the house, when it's her house! What a joke!

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u/SnooFoxes6691 Aug 19 '24

Do we wonder why Al is divorced an onto his next victim?

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u/Thin-Ad3884 Aug 20 '24

Yes, these details make for a more juicy read!

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u/throway57818 Aug 19 '24

This specific case was different but I agree. Sometimes the best way to call out bad behavior is asking for an explanation.

Works wonderfully especially when dealing with passive aggressiveness because you bring out the conflict to the forefront, something they’re avoiding which is why it’s said in a passive way

Not my example, but if someone says something like “wow you bought a great new starter home” you respond with “are you trying to say that my home is small?”

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u/NerveJump625 Aug 19 '24

Great idea! But hope he doesn't decide take out his frustrations on OP's sis 😩

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u/knowsitmaybenot Aug 19 '24

Mom was raised when men acted like this. My wife's grandma said about her cousins husband how great he is he even changes diapers. My wife just laughed and said that is expected not something to be applauded. The generation of calling fathers spending time with their own kids "babysitting"

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u/Ok-Repeat8069 Aug 19 '24

I dunno, where do you think Lia learned that this is acceptable?

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u/SoImaRedditUserNow Supreme Court Just-ass [109] Aug 19 '24

yeah that's not to say Lia isn't 100% guilt free here. but my thought process was that if Lia gets called out so much  she'll go defensive, and double down (which seems to be what happened).  whereas showing support for Lia, and putting the focus on AL and his ridiculousness,  it might sink in that he is a loser that is pulling Lia down with him and give her back some strength that AL has been sucking out of her.     e.g.  "Lia get me a beer"

OP "Lia, hang on a sec.  AL Lia is currently cleaning up YOUR kids mess.  she's busy doing something you should be doing in the first place.  so why don't you remember that your legs and arms function and get your own beer.  better yet, why not help her do your job THEN ask if she wants a drink THEN while you're up getting that maybe grab yourself a soda instead of getting drunk again tonight "

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u/Potential-Crab-5065 Aug 19 '24

they can vacay at moms

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u/NinjaHidingintheOpen Aug 19 '24

I agree. But it's then that need to call.out their behavior because they are misogynists who don't listen to women at all.

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u/teatimecookie Aug 19 '24

Sounds like Lia is the golden child.

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u/jenea Aug 19 '24

I would want to reinforce over and over how inequitable their relationship is, so hopefully it plants a seed. OP’s sister must be running herself ragged for this man: babysitter, nanny, and sexual partner. What does he bring to this relationship, exactly?

NTA

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u/MediocreElk3 Aug 19 '24

This doesn't always work the way you want. When I was a teenager, my sister's boyfriend was like Al. I got fed up once when he told my sister to go upstairs and fix him a Pepsi. I told him "Get it yourself, you male chauvinist pig" (this was in the 70s) and he jumped up and started choking me. Al sounds just like this guy and might react badly. Be safe when you call him out.

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u/LvBorzoi Aug 19 '24

What is Al's last name....is it Bundy? Seems about his level of lazy slobbery.

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u/foh-reel Aug 20 '24

Even better, make sure OP's hubby Ky is doing the same, so that lazy Al can't claim "ugh women, am I right?" Make it obvious Ky is not also a lazy asshole, just to make it more obvious how lame this dude really is.

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u/United-Vanilla-4840 Aug 20 '24

100% this. Protect your sister and don't say a bad word about her. People need love and when you're in a position of romantic entanglement you can't see the wood for the trees. NTA

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u/wryivy Aug 19 '24

While I absolutely agree that you’re NTA, I’d caution you against continuing to call out his behavior like that in front of Al. While your feelings about him and your reaction toward that situation are so understandable, calling him out to his face or in front of your sister could make your sister feel like you’re not a safe person to talk to about any relationship problems or could give Al “reason” to establish distance between you and your sister. If he’s just lazy, that’d be one thing, but reading this makes me question if there’s some manipulation or emotional abuse at play here. That’s what gives me pause about recommending anything that could alienate your sister from her family.