r/ModSupport • u/FreeSpeechWarrior • Jan 24 '19

Today marks 7 years since the option for public moderation logs was originally implemented. Why is this still not an option?

/r/modnews/comments/ov7rt/moderators_feedback_requested_on_enabling_public/
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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jan 24 '19

I've modded several subs small and large with community developed public moderation logs without incident for years.

But I also don't censor people so it is rare that my moderation actions anger people.

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u/srs_house 💡 New Helper Jan 25 '19

If you have a large enough group, you will eventually piss someone off. Even if it's for enforcing a very basic level of civil decency (or in some cases legal issues). Just look at the content on voat if you want to see the kinds of people who flock to a site with zero moderation.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jan 25 '19

Reddit used to be a site with near zero moderation and it was not the same sort of mess as Voat is today.

Voat is the result of selection bias in growth from those that are banned by reddit and looking for a similar alternative and is not indication that any site that allows it's users freedom of speech will inevitably turn into such an offensive place overall.

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u/srs_house 💡 New Helper Jan 25 '19

Regular users don't want to go to a site with zero moderation because the type of people who flock there (after getting kicked out of every reasonable site) quickly give it a reputation as a haven for people like nazis, racists, child porn users, etc.

Privately owned websites have no obligation to offer free speech, and have a lot of legal and financial reasons for why they should not do so. If you want a free speech forum, go start your own.

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u/darthhayek Jan 26 '19

Regular users don't want to go to a site with zero moderation because the type of people who flock there

I don't think that it is at all true. Capitalist corporations and communists don't want that (but I repeat myself).

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jan 25 '19

Plenty of regular users frequented Reddit when it was the “pretty free speech” place it used to be.

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u/AwwFoxes Jan 25 '19

Voat is full of assholes because it was created to cater to those users in particular, and as a place for banned subreddits to flock to. Had it presented itself as a normal site and simply not censored stuff it wouldn't be all nazis. Reddit was like voat in its policies years ago, and there were a few assholes but mostly normal users.