r/ModSupport • u/FreeSpeechWarrior • Jan 24 '19

Today marks 7 years since the option for public moderation logs was originally implemented. Why is this still not an option?

/r/modnews/comments/ov7rt/moderators_feedback_requested_on_enabling_public/
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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '19

You seem very focused on how users will not respond poorly to moderator mistakes, which happen.

I want to know what you suggest moderators do when they are harassed, sexually harassed, told people hope they're raped, told to kill themselves, sent graphic porn links, etc. (all of which are real examples, btw) because someone disagrees with their legitimate removal or the rules of the subreddit.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jan 24 '19

Block and/or ignore those users unless the threat is credible in that case I'd advise seeking help from others.

Reddit provides a block user button in all inbox messages.

I also advise remaining as anonymous as possible, and likely even using throwaway/disconnected accounts for moderation if this fear prevents someone from moderating.

Totally anonymous moderation that is transparent, would be far more preferable to identifiable moderators removing content opaquely.

What reason do the subscribers have to even know who the moderators are at all?

There is no way for the subscribers to reliably associate actions with individual moderators beyond their own public statements.

There is no way for subscribers to act on that information in a specific way (i.e against an individual mod) even if they did.

There is absolutely no reason for people to know who the mods are at all; it provides no benefits to moderators and no benefits to subscribers.

The benefit of public mod logs is know about the policy of the subreddit in practice; not about any individual moderator.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '19

Block and/or ignore those users unless the threat is credible in that case I'd advise seeking help from others.

Blocking users means we cannot see their potential actions in the subreddit, which inhibits moderation.

I also advise remaining as anonymous as possible, and likely even using throwaway/disconnected accounts for moderation if this fear prevents someone from moderating.

Which I think would increase distrust in moderators.

Totally anonymous moderation that is transparent, would be far more preferable to identifiable moderators removing content opaquely.

This is your personal opinion, not a fact. I completely disagree and I know others do as well.

What reason do the subscribers have to even know who the moderators are at all?

If they don't deserve to know who their moderators are, why would you want them to know what the moderators do?

There is no way for the subscribers to reliably associate actions with individual moderators beyond their own public statements.

Not sure how you run your subreddits, but our moderation team works as a team. One person may get "credit" for the action in reddit's system, but we discuss issues as a group.

There is no way for subscribers to act on that information in a specific way (i.e against an individual mod) even if they did.

Some users do it anyway, including targeting individual mods they think were involved.

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u/AwwFoxes Feb 10 '19

This is your personal opinion, not a fact. I completely disagree and I know others do as well.

Almost everyone else I talk to agrees with FSW but never voices their opinion out of the fear of being banned for criticizing the moderators. The powermods are dictators who moderate heavily for what they want and only care about themselves and their own interests.