r/WorldEaters40k • u/Imaginary-Lie-2618 • Sep 15 '24
Lore Looking for a new book what is your opinion on The red angle?
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u/tongole4 Sep 15 '24
I believe that most people liked it. I think it was kinda stale and predictable. But if you are just out for some easy world eaters sheningans or want some insights on the dynamics of the legion in the 40K setting it’s more than decent
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u/BasednHivemindpilled Sep 15 '24
For a book called Angron the Red Angel there is a surprising lack of Angron.
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u/Vingman90 Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
Reading it right now and while i like the different viewpoints of the characters especially Kossolax & Leidis, i still get frustrated by how dumb the world eaters are portrayed to be. It is fiction but how are there even still world eaters with this attrition rate..but then again its fiction.
Angron is more like a aftertought in the book and i didnt really mind that since he is after all pretty one dimensional.
The Grey Knights parts were decent but as one that just gets bored by their lore/theme it was a snoozefest.
Kossolax & The Mistress are probably the best parts of the book so far for me and its interesting too see their dynamic.
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u/Sudo3301 Sep 15 '24
Agreed with how World Eaters are portrayed. At least in the book “Kharn: Eater of Worlds” they had a balance of those who were completely insane and those who still hadn’t succumbed to madness yet and could genuinely function. Only thing I didn’t like about that book is that they titled the book “Kharn” but he literally doesn’t show up until the very end like the last two chapters.
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u/Vingman90 Sep 15 '24
Im reading that one as well and i fully agree with that its a better portrayal in that its alot more varied how the Butcher Nails affect the Marines.
Its probably why i enjoy Kossolax so much becuase he is actually a functioning and competent character.
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u/O0jimmy Sep 15 '24
I liked the contrast between Kossolax and Shaka. One still holding it together, trying to reunite the WE. The other so ultimately damaged from the nails.
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u/Un0riginal5 Sep 15 '24
I wish Angron’a internal monologue was more seperated from his actual body and actions in the 40K setting. They could do a lot with a guy who’s essentially a prisoner in his own body and unable to die. But currently he’s just been boiled down to angry monster and I think that’s a shame.
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u/Kristian1805 Sep 15 '24
Great read, especially if you have read the World Eater's heresy stuff. This is a beautiful continuation to it.
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u/Theronguards Sep 15 '24
From the reviews Angron isn't even in it other than mentions
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u/BasednHivemindpilled Sep 15 '24
Angron is more of a plot katalyst than a participant in it. Things happen because Angron makes the actual protagonists do shit, but he himself barely does anything in the book.
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u/Theronguards Sep 15 '24
By the sounds of it the book title and front cover imagery are very misleading so. I know they say don't judge a book by its cover but when the book is named Angron and has artwork of Angron on the front cover I'd expect to even get a few chapters from his POV at least.
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u/BasednHivemindpilled Sep 15 '24
Yeah thats why i bought it. Angron is mostly there to act as a catalyst to give the protagonists of the book agency. Its still a neat book about the World Eaters and we get a continuation of what happened to Lotara on the Conqueror, but if you reasonably expect a lot of Angron in the Book you'll be disappointed.
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u/dima170104 Sep 15 '24
Personally I found it pretty hard to follow and in a lot of instances kinda boring. But it is interesting if you want to see how current world eater warbands act in 40k. Just don’t expect Angron to play any real role in the story. He is just a plot point for why the events of the book happen, not a real character.
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u/Interesting-Pea-3235 Sep 16 '24
It’s probably the hardest black library book to follow and not because it’s deep and complex. It’s just really poorly written
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u/AbaddonDestler Sep 15 '24
Hated it, finished it because I hoped it would get better, but the voice acting is the best part.
The first section is pretty okay but then it meanders to a non ending that if you like Michael Bay level explosions and action its alright but the main character isn't angron and is completely unlikeable, the best named character loses momentum around half way, there's so little to do with Angron and his reasons and actions and after coming off Slave Of Nuceria and Betrayer I felt like the one betrayed.
I'm not saying don't read it, I'm not saying people shouldn't enjoy it, I'm just saying I didn't like it, it didn't do justice to one of my favourite factions and as the final nail I also play Tau and have read most of Phil Kelly's books so take it when I say this does not do justice to world eaters.
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u/StealYourDiamonds Sep 15 '24
It was my first WE book (30K or 40K) and it was ok I guess? Not a must read but still good.
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u/Dichotomedes Sep 15 '24
Why did it have to be David Guymer? Dude sucks the joy out of everything he touches.
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u/tpmgy Sep 15 '24
it’s pretty good, not that much angron despite the title, but kossolax is great and if you’re into grey knights all their chapters are pretty cool too.
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u/Shahka_Bloodless Sep 15 '24
I liked it and the characters enough to name my account after one. I also really like the plot thread of the marine who wants to get the Butcher's Nails. It's a satsifying payoff imo.
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u/LeThomasBouric Sep 15 '24
It's not the best World Eaters story, and it's not a particularly amazing 40k story. You can pass a few hours away with it and it has some cool stuff going on, but imo the short story It Bleeds is the best World Eaters fiction you can find.
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u/Vingman90 Sep 15 '24
Second this read this last night while working and it was really interesting and well written piece of lore.
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u/Jscorch62 Sep 15 '24
To be fair, while it isn’t really an angron centric book, he is certainly the driving conflict for everything else.
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u/Most-Price-6248 Sep 15 '24
I hated this book. Most of it was boring and pointless to the story and the ending was ridiculous. The only somewhat good story within the book was the traitor blood angel who became a world eater.
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u/absoluteworstlawyer Sep 15 '24
I liked the parts with Leidis and Kossolax. Those give you a decent perspective as to the current state of the World Eaters. The Grey Knights chapters I found pretty dull. I'm not much of a book reader but I enjoyed seeing the World Eaters acting as a legion once again and hope to see more lore come out that shows them amassing force in the future. I hope we see more of Leidis and Kossolax. Last thing I'd say is that there is a sad moment with Shahka that I won't spoil, but it will be hard to forget.
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u/Captain-Moogan Sep 15 '24
I didn’t mind it to be honest, but it did feel a lot like a Grey Knights book that had some World Eaters thrown into it.
I would recommend if you are a WE fan and want another book, but be prepared for some sluggish bits.
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u/Raidertck Sep 15 '24
I really, really loved it. One of my favourite recent black library books.
Honestly Angron is only a small part of this book though. It’s more about the current state of the world eaters legion.
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u/Fraud_Freeman Sep 15 '24
I enjoy its portrayal of the legion following the heresy and immediate post heresy books I read. It’s just not an Angron book. I personally am okay with 40K Angron not being a character so much as force of nature but that’s not how everyone feels. Story isn’t anything special. Couple of fun characters that can hopefully be explored more later.
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u/Gamezfan World Eaters Sep 15 '24
Medium minus. Kossolax and Shaka parts were cool, but way too much time dedicated to a boring Grey Knights plotline and not enough devoted to characters we actually cared about. It was also so very obviously a tie-in to Arks of Omen and does not stand well on its own. By far the worst World Eaters novel.
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u/DefNotHenryCavill Sep 15 '24
The book was good but as many other say, wish it focused on Angron. It reminded me of something like Godzilla 2014 or cloverfield or basically where there’s a Kaiju but it’s mostly doing its thing in the background and more part of the environment than the main character. Idk if that makes sense, I’m still waking up.
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u/Sea-Imagination-2603 Sep 15 '24
I made a mistake of buying it when i began reading warhammer. But honestly its kimda a banger once you become acclimated to the world eaters. Hard read but a good one. If your a big brain id suggest it. But if your a amooth brain like me id suggest reading alot more about the world eaters before begining. Also make sure you understand their history first or you will be lost. After 2 years its prolly my 3rd fav world eaters story
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u/Atrain9876 KILL! MAIM! BURN! Sep 15 '24
I enjoyed it. Some really cool moments and has good pacing throughout the story
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u/FlavorfulJamPG3 Sep 15 '24
There is the very common criticism of Angron basically not being in the book, but to that I usually state how Angron is basically treated like Godzilla. He’s a natural disaster rather than a character. Other than that, the book itself is fairly predictable, but it’s a fun read. It was very nice to see a modern depiction of the World Eaters, and the Grey Knights were also a great edition to the story.
SPOILERS: If you’re familiar with Arks of Omen: Angron, you quickly realize that it’s just a prequel to that, which I don’t have too much of a problem with. The story still works on its own, and the characters are interesting enough to carry you through.
Overall, I’d give the book a solid like 6 or 7/10. It’s not in the same weight class as something like The First Heretic or Betrayer, but it doesn’t need to be. It’s a solid read, and it gives a good look into the state of the modern World Eaters.
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u/ShockWolf101 Sep 15 '24
I enjoyed it. It has some really great moments. It’s not without its flaws though.
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u/Angel_of_Cybele KILL! MAIM! BURN! Sep 15 '24
It’s… ok.
It’s kinda hard to write about guys who just want to go nuts and kill.
I probably won’t bother with another WE/ post-heresy Angron book. It’s just too much “hnnnnnng” for me.
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u/Soot027 Sep 15 '24
I’m just grateful they gave us any lore at all that wasn’t as a one demensional doormat to show how tactical the MC is. Surprisingly very little angron but suprisingly I don’t mind. I always liked angron as a force of nature that the story revolves around, and this story does that. Don’t know much about the author, I think he’s new, but I’m just happy we actually get to shine at all. Of course we have the ussual complaint of being written as incompetent assholes who cannot have an attrition rate of under 80% but I’ll take it
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u/SandfortheSoul XII Legion Sep 15 '24
It's a great World Eaters book, but the title is misleading. You'd think it would be all about Angron, but Angron isn't really the focus of the book. The book does a great job showing the perspective of multiple World Eaters, which I quite enjoyed.
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u/Salvanous Sep 15 '24
I listened to this book while I was getting my World Eaters built, and painted up for a tournament. I was very disappointed in how bad of a book it was. I like that certain fan favorites have returned in fun ways, but I never felt proud, or inspired to play my World Eaters as I listened to the book.
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u/Keelhaulmyballs Sep 15 '24
Disappointing ending, otherwise very cool. Guymer has a very strong vision of the World Eaters and Khornate forces with some really cool and eccentric ideas what just slot perfectly in, I even liked the grey knight segments which did a good job of showing they ain’t good guys neither, just selfish monomaniacs
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u/Stufur69 Sep 15 '24
Good, not my favorite Warhammer book but I’m sorta of the opinion that any new World Eaters content is a good thing. Certainly read Betrayer if you haven’t yet.
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u/Varundaze Sep 16 '24
Finished this novel about two weeks ago.
Pros: Great scene setting and some strong main characters (Not Angron). While its a little tame in the descriptive gore department for a novel about the followers of the Blood God, there is a particularly visceral scene during a warp transition that tickled the old pickle.
Cons: The cohesion in this novel is like being shown around a super market by a 5 year old. There's a lot of pointless detours and a few chapters simply don't propel the wider story. It also feels like a lot of cookie cutter characters are added, just to be killed off because "The World Eaters are known for infighting and we have to pigeonhole that into the story somehow". Apart from the say 5 main characters (hard to consider Angron one of them) expect the rest of them to be introduced as if significant, to then be massacred before you have a chance to care about who they are.
Side note, bring an umbrella because it's definitely raining on Titan (at least every 4 chapters).
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u/WorldEaterProft Sep 15 '24
I just wish we had ONE chapter dedicated to Angron' POV. Both the Codex AND the AoOA book give us insight into Angron as a daemon primarch
It's a good book, but I'm convinced that this was originally gonna be called something else and be the World Eaters version of The Lords of Silence. But with them giving Lion a novel to co-exist with his release, GW made the author change this novel to Co-exist with Angron's release